Pseudonymph

I understand that it was only in your head. However for me it was not. I will send you xrays of the many problems I had if you like. Like I said...pills, surgery, all sorts of things did no good...but acupuncture did. For me.

But you didn't answer my question...would you be willing to go back and see if it would work for you...know that you know it's "junk science"? Just courious...

Dr Rick

Whatever you are babbling-on about here, it has nothing to do with my post or position on accupuncture or the invalidity of your antecdotal evidence.

What the hell exactly are you ranting about, by the way, and why?

Rick

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Pseudonymph

I will direct you to read my post again. This might help your apparant lack of comprehension skills. I will not take this obvious bait to start a flame war. Please remain on topic.

Dr Rick

I just did; it still contains the same irrational nonsense as the first time I read it.

Rick

Kinross

No I take asprine because it chemically blocks pain recepters. This is verifiable and in the mechanism is known. No mystical energies involved. I don't buy shampoo with the super secret ingredient salicilic acid aka asprin.

Yes acupuncture is the placebo effect. That is why I stated you would get the same results by praying. People beleive it so they feel better.

I don't think my medical insurance should offset the costs of acupuncture to some one else when they can get the same effect by taking a sugar pill.

Unless you can prove an 85% effectiveness rate in a double blind study its bunk.

Monkeybot

What?

I'm sorry Corwin, that just makes no sense. A scientific study involves measurements and quantifiable data. Noise's example of 85% effectiveness, using a control group, is a good one.

As I said before I personally don't know a lot about acupuncture, but this kind of reasoning just doesn't make sense.

Corwin

No, you take aspirin because an authority tells you it works. For all you know it could just as easily be a placebo.

The placebo effect in faith healing is actually quite minimal, and highly overrated. Faith healers like Peter Popoff don't use a placebo effect, they're nothing more than simple con artists. (There's no placebo getting those people up out of wheelchairs and walkers... the effect we're looking at here is the fact that they didn't need wheelchairs and walkers to begin with... and they don't let these people talk on camera long enough for it to occur to them to mention that fact.)

Corwin

Yes, and it's a measure of?

Anecdotes. 'This worked' or 'this did not work.'

The only difference is in the numbers. (IE 25 'this worked's' compared to 500.)

MortalWombat

Actually salycilic acid is one of <a href="http://www.fda.gov/bbs/topics/CONSUMER/CON0290d.html" target="_blank">five ingredients recognized by the FDA</a> verified to be safe and effective in the treatment of dandruff, so it's not really a super secret.

Kinross

Did not know that, also coal tar is approved. Kinda defeats the purpose of washing the hair though.

But this gets into the FDA which a whole different argument.

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