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Autonemesis · 08-14-2002, 03:45 PM

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Originally posted by Vanderzyden:
A falsified claim is just that: false. When an unsupportable theory is advanced, the proponents of the theory are not due to hear a "better idea," particularly when they only entertain a specific type of knowledge.

The results concerning the chimp-human chromosomes in the scigirl challenge have not been falsified. So in order to have us reject those results you need to falsify them; or you need to provide an even better explanation for the observations than the one we have.

Can you do either? You haven't even begun doing either one so far.

Vorkosigan · 08-14-2002, 03:49 PM

Well, Vander? We're all breathlessly anticipating your response!

Autonemesis · 08-14-2002, 03:58 PM

I'm turning blue here, hurry up!

Albion · 08-14-2002, 04:06 PM

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Is that a saucer I see out the window???

And then there are the reptilians, who are even more real than the Raelian impostors, except that some proponents of this story (sorry, theory, forgetting myself there for a minute) seem to be a bit at odds with other proponents :

<a href="http://www.crystalinks.com/nibiru.html" target="_blank">http://www.crystalinks.com/nibiru.html</a>
<a href="http://www.davidicke.com/icke/temp/reptconn.html" target="_blank">http://www.davidicke.com/icke/temp/reptconn.html</a>

I mean, I do hope we'll be teaching this in the schools as well as discredited nonsense like evolution. sigh...

Secular Pinoy · 08-14-2002, 04:18 PM

Let's not forget Thiaoouba's own cult.

Richiyaado · 08-14-2002, 04:30 PM

Hmm... I'm not sure I'd be willing to allow that Invisible Pink Pixies alone are the true motive force behind evolution, though I might be willing to consider them as a subpopulation of the Invisible Tinkering Warrior Army. I guess it would really depend upon which view would yield the greatest amount of money from speaking engagements.

Anyhow, when the scientific priesthood's stranglehold on education is finally broken, I would certainly demand that the ITWA at least be given equal time to IPPs in every public school classroom. Or else.

Coragyps · 08-14-2002, 05:11 PM

Buncha friggin' foul heretic unbeliever apostate commie diptards! Pixies! Warriors! It's Her Holiness the Invisible Pink Unicorn, you heathens, and it's also turtles all the way down!!

Albion · 08-14-2002, 07:10 PM

And then there's Reverse Theory. I'm told you can get the drift without having to start paying; at some point there's a fee before you can go any farther.

<a href="http://www.reverse-theory.com/" target="_blank">http://www.reverse-theory.com/</a>

Richiyaado · 08-14-2002, 07:54 PM

...and with this, the multitude of the Invisible Tinkering Warrior Army, together with a sizable cohort of Invisible Pink Pixies, clambered aboard the Invisible Pink Unicorn, who slowly made her regal way (backwards, of course) into the nebulous realm of Reverse Theory. As she did, a few of the Invisible Tinkering Warriors, peering down through her Majesty's Invisible Rump, thought they could see an infinite column of...

Alas, Reverse Theory had enveloped them and they were gone...

Or were they?

CRDbulldog · 08-14-2002, 09:52 PM

Vanderzyden:

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... naturalistcally-biased science has not spoken authoritatively with regard to biological origins and development. Alternatively, many creationists have a reasonable, testable, falsifiable, interesting theistic story to tell.

Vanderzyden:

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Do you have a better challenge?

I do! Tell me exactly how the "theistic story" many creationists have to tell is:

(a) Reasonable
(b) Testable
(c) Falsifiable
(d) Interesting

I have yet to hear one that qualifies on any single one of the above, much less on all 4 (OK, 3 ... testable and falsifiable should be the same thing).

One other thing ... if you do show me a theory with some data, I wont dismiss it with something condescendingly trite like -- "I have but one simple question in response: Is this a case of fitting facts to theory?" especially if you are able to show me a picture of data sufficiently strong to convince any rational person who looks at it. Nor will I respond with something like "I will ask it again: What is THE theory of evolution, in the neo-Darwinian sense? No one here has provided a scientific definition." especially if you take the time and explain your creationist theory in as much detail as I explained neo-Darwinism to you. I'll do my best to critique your data with something other than trite crap.

You know, I'm fairly new here. I just found out how to read people's profiles. Under the "Basic Beliefs" section one person wrote "Most people don't seek the truth". Reading that I might jump to the conclusion that this person probably thought not seeking the truth was a bad idea. I might expect a person who says this to actually try to understand the subject before spouting off nonsense about it. Tell me Vanderzyden, when you wrote that your BASIC BELIEF is that MOST PEOPLE DON'T SEEK THE TRUTH do you include yourself with "most people"? Or is it that you think you have found the TRUTH by reading the bible? And that since the bible say "seek and you shall find", those who haven't "found" in the bible must not be seeking? Have you traded your reason in favor of "revealed truth" from a dusty old book written by a people with primitive knowledge and questionable morals (by today's standards at least)?

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08-14-2002, 03:49 PM	#32
Vorkosigan Contributor Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Barrayar Posts: 11,866	Well, Vander? We're all breathlessly anticipating your response!

08-14-2002, 03:58 PM	#33
Autonemesis Contributor Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: I've left FRDB for good, due to new WI&P policy Posts: 12,048	I'm turning blue here, hurry up!

08-14-2002, 04:18 PM	#35
Secular Pinoy Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Quezon City, Philippines Posts: 1,994	Let's not forget Thiaoouba's own cult.

08-14-2002, 04:30 PM	#36
Richiyaado Regular Member Join Date: May 2001 Location: New Orleans Posts: 172	Hmm... I'm not sure I'd be willing to allow that Invisible Pink Pixies alone are the true motive force behind evolution, though I might be willing to consider them as a subpopulation of the Invisible Tinkering Warrior Army. I guess it would really depend upon which view would yield the greatest amount of money from speaking engagements. Anyhow, when the scientific priesthood's stranglehold on education is finally broken, I would certainly demand that the ITWA at least be given equal time to IPPs in every public school classroom. Or else.

08-14-2002, 05:11 PM	#37
Coragyps Veteran Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Snyder,Texas,USA Posts: 4,411	Buncha friggin' foul heretic unbeliever apostate commie diptards! Pixies! Warriors! It's Her Holiness the Invisible Pink Unicorn, you heathens, and it's also turtles all the way down!!

08-14-2002, 07:10 PM	#38
Albion Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: US east coast. And www.theroyalforums.com Posts: 2,829	And then there's Reverse Theory. I'm told you can get the drift without having to start paying; at some point there's a fee before you can go any farther. <a href="http://www.reverse-theory.com/" target="_blank">http://www.reverse-theory.com/</a>

08-14-2002, 07:54 PM	#39
Richiyaado Regular Member Join Date: May 2001 Location: New Orleans Posts: 172	...and with this, the multitude of the Invisible Tinkering Warrior Army, together with a sizable cohort of Invisible Pink Pixies, clambered aboard the Invisible Pink Unicorn, who slowly made her regal way (backwards, of course) into the nebulous realm of Reverse Theory. As she did, a few of the Invisible Tinkering Warriors, peering down through her Majesty's Invisible Rump, thought they could see an infinite column of... Alas, Reverse Theory had enveloped them and they were gone... Or were they?

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