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Philo Judaeus spent time in Jerusalem during the times of Jesus, he wrote many books about the Jews and their religion and history - but not a word about Jesus or his followers or his teachings.
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Population of Palestine ca 30 ad?
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Justus of Tiberias was a writer contemporary with Jesus, and from the same region - his works are now lost, but Photius, Patriarch of Constantinople wrote in the 8th Century: ''He (Justus of Tiberias) makes not one mention of Jesus, of what happened to him, or of the wonderful works that he did."
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Extant works are?
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Marcus Manilius wrote on astrology/astronomy in Rome.
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No reason whatsoever to mention an itinerant peasant crucified by Pontius Pilate.....
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Lucius Annaeus Seneca wrote many philosophic (Stoic) and satirical books and letters (and Tragedies) in Rome.
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Yet again no reason. Do you think posting a ton of irrelevant material actually makes your argument more compelling???
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C. Musonius Rufus wrote on Stoic philosophy in Rome.
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Ditto
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Marcus Annaeus Lucanus wrote the Pharsalia (Civil War) in Rome.
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Ditto!
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ulus Persius Flaccus wrote several satires in Rome.
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See above.
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Petronius Arbiter wrote the Satyricon in Rome.
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Hero(n) of Alexandria wrote many technical works, including astronomy.
Geminus wrote on astronomy in Greece.
Plutarch of Chaeronea wrote many works on history and philosophy in Rome and Boetia.
Dio Chrysostom (Cocceianus Dio) was the dominant Roman Orator of the times (his worked jointly shows Stoic and Cynic ideas), and wrote many works and gave many speeches in various Roman and Greek centres, of which 80 survive e.g. the Euboicus.
Pliny the Elder (Gaius Plinius Secundus) wrote a large Natural History in Rome.
Marcus Fabius Quintilianus, wrote the Education of an Orator in Rome - his many speeches are lost.
Publius Papinius Statius wrote numerous minor and epic poems (e.g. Ode to Sleep and the Thebaid) in Rome.
Marcus Valerius Martialus wrote many satires in Rome.
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Yup. Lots of guys listed who have no business even mentioning Jesus assuming that they heard of the figure.
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Justus of Tiberias was a writer contemporary with Jesus, and from the same region - his works are now lost, but Photius, Patriarch of Constantinople wrote in the 8th Century: ''He (Justus of Tiberias) makes not one mention of Jesus, of what happened to him, or of the wonderful works that he did."
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You have to qualifyt this. In what context? How many books did J of T write and how many did Photius know about or read? Unless you can do this your argument is shot down.
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There were over FIFTY writers from the first century of Christianity - NOT ONE of them mentions Jesus or the Gospel events (except for some later forged passages, and a couple of vague comments repeating Christian views).
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How many of these 50 writers mention mention John the baptist?
Since you are using 8th century traditions (uncritically it appear) about Jesus I'll cite a a tradition regarding Philo:
"Eusebius (Hist. Eccl., II, iv) indeed preserves a legend that Philo had met St. Peter in Rome during his mission to the Emperor Caius; moreover, that in his work on the contemplative life he describes the life of the Christian Church in Alexandria founded by St. Mark, rather than that of the Essenes and Therapeutae."
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until early-mid 2nd century when the Gospel myths arise.
The Gospels, and their myth of Jesus of Nazareth, was UNKNOWN to Christians until early-mid 2nd century.
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Replace the 2 with a 1 and you'd be on target.
On a side note, Christians probably got a little more known towards the end of the first century. Ergo, Mr. Josephus mentions them and Jesus. Of course, his surprise that the tribe was still in existance speaks quite a bit about this tiny and insignificant cult which you apparently, expect to be mentioned in Roman astronomy books.
How many of these authors mentions Christians or Pharisees or Essenes? Did these groups not exist? Surely any silence would be strongly indicative of their non-existence?
Vinnie
05-27-2003, 09:05 PM
