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God Fearing Atheist · 04-19-2003, 10:35 PM

If I calculated this right (using Gringo's link), blacks in England and Wales are 4.6 times more likely to commit a murder than whites.

-GFA

RED DAVE · 04-19-2003, 10:40 PM

Let's start with the credibility of The Bell Curve as a source.

On the Bell Curve

RED DAVE

God Fearing Atheist · 04-19-2003, 10:54 PM

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Originally posted by RED DAVE
Let's start with the credibility of The Bell Curve as a source.

On the Bell Curve

RED DAVE

Note that that page also contains a number of replies to their critics.

But again, this isnt what im here to debate.

RED DAVE · 04-19-2003, 10:59 PM

You can run, but you can't hide. You are the one using this source. You are being held accountable.

More On The Bell Curve.

RED DAVE

God Fearing Atheist · 04-19-2003, 11:03 PM

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Originally posted by Loren Pechtel
2) Note that I said "poverty", not merely being poor. People who are poor tend to work their way out of it and aren't unduly criminal. Poverty, on the other hand, is far more an attitude than a state of being. Give a poor person $100k and you won't have a poor person anymore. Give a person in poverty the same $100k and pretty soon they will be back where they were.

Wait, wait...

What is poverty if not being poor? It sounds to me like your "poverty", rather than SES, is lack of motivation, stupidity or some combination thereof.

It almost seems like you're *conceding* my point here. That it takes a certain type of character attribute, independent of SES, to make a criminal (in large measure).

-GFA

God Fearing Atheist · 04-19-2003, 11:07 PM

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Originally posted by RED DAVE
You can run, but you can't hide. You are the one using this source. You are being held accountable.

More On The Bell Curve.

RED DAVE

Okay Red. I'll concede that you've posted one hysterical diatribe and one other less than honest reply to *one* of nearly a *dozen* sources I citied. You've gone great.

Now can we stop hijacking my thread and get back to the issue at hand?

RED DAVE · 04-19-2003, 11:11 PM

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my thread

You own it?

RED DAVE

God Fearing Atheist · 04-19-2003, 11:15 PM

This is totally ridiculous.

Take a breath, Red.

Better now? Good. Let's get back to topic.

Remember the topic? International crime rates categorized by race?

-GFA

RED DAVE · 04-19-2003, 11:15 PM

APA Press Release

Starting to examine your sources. The above, cited by you, does not support your contention about the relevance of IQ. Is anything that disagrees with you a "hysterical diatribe"?

RED DAVE

God Fearing Atheist · 04-19-2003, 11:23 PM

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Originally posted by RED DAVE
APA Press Release

Starting to examine your sources. The above, cited by you, does not support your contention about the relevance of IQ. Is anything that disagrees with you a "hysterical diatribe"?

RED DAVE

The references were about *the existence of the BW IQ difference*. The link quite explicitly says such a difference exists.

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04-19-2003, 10:35 PM	#21
God Fearing Atheist Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Massachusetts, USA -- Let's Go Red Sox! Posts: 1,500	If I calculated this right (using Gringo's link), blacks in England and Wales are 4.6 times more likely to commit a murder than whites. -GFA

04-19-2003, 10:40 PM	#22
RED DAVE Banned Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: NYC Posts: 10,532	Let's start with the credibility of The Bell Curve as a source. On the Bell Curve RED DAVE

04-19-2003, 10:59 PM	#24
RED DAVE Banned Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: NYC Posts: 10,532	You can run, but you can't hide. You are the one using this source. You are being held accountable. More On The Bell Curve. RED DAVE

04-19-2003, 11:15 PM	#28
God Fearing Atheist Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Massachusetts, USA -- Let's Go Red Sox! Posts: 1,500	This is totally ridiculous. Take a breath, Red. Better now? Good. Let's get back to topic. Remember the topic? International crime rates categorized by race? -GFA

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