Jat

Didn't you know the revisionists just want to tarnish the good name of the Nazis. They were just mis-understood. The truth is that the Jews committed mass suicide to make Germany look bad so that they could take over the world through the Rand Corp and the Tri-Latural Commission, by way of the UFOs, etc, etc... Everybody knows that. It's all just a Jewish Conspiracy. ( )

Tristan Scott

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It wasn't that Hitler hated the JEws, or Himmler.
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Very wrong.
"After all, who today remembers the Armenians ?"
--- Hitler, when discussing the Final Solution with his top officials, referring to the Turkish genocidal massacre of 1� million Armenians in 1915, the first "modern" genocide, meaning that with his Final solution they would get away with it in time, despite so much opposition even in Gemany.
The Nazis never really had a majority political mandate, but relied on ballot-box-stuffing, outright vote-tally falsification, and intimidation to gain power in the last elections and final governmental-power-hand-over held.

My bad, I meant to say that it wasnt just that Hitler and Himmler hated the Jews. Of course they hated them. My point is that if it hadn't been them it would have been someone else sooner or later. At least IMO.

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It was that practically everyone, be they intellectual or common, they all despised the Jews and wanted them gone.
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Very misleading, and therefore wrong.
Most Germans did not know of the existence of the death camps till late in the day (many of course did not want to know); and many Germans died for protecting Jews or otherwise protesting.
The first victims were the German Communists; after them, the SPD, the German homosexuals, the mentally-retarded (though with that one popular protest buggered it up a little), then the Jews, Gypsies and often the Slavs.

I said gone, not dead. It would have bothered very few in Germany if Hitler would have sent the Jews packing. Most people in Germany and the western European countries wouldn't have wanted to have seen the death camps, no matter how much they hated them, but they wouldn't have minded getting rid of them through relocation and deportation. Eastern Europe, specifically Poland and the Western Soviet states were a different story. That is why the large death camps were located there instead of in Germany. In Poland the partisans would not even help arm the Jews in the Ghetto that wanted to fight the Nazis. In Poland there was no problem in recruiting people to run the camps. In Poland those that ran the camps had no problems from the partisans, even though they were working for the Nazis, unlike others who were treated as traitors

The path towards the Holocaust was firmly set by the beginning of the twentieth century. Villification of the Jews had become an institution of it's own, not just among the uneducated bigots, but also among the educated elite. Houston Chamberlain's Foundations of the Nineteenth Century revolutionized academic thought concerning the Jews in Europe. Kaizer Willhelm was a disciple of Chamberlain's, and it seems pretty obvious that Hitler was as well. Chamberlain was married to Richard Wagner's daughter who was an early supporter of Hitler's. The basis of Chamberlain's two-volume brick was that the future of humanity would be determined by an epic struggle between the Aryans and the Jews.

Celsus

Never happened.

Jat

Yes, it did happen. The Jews are even proud of it.

Tristan Scott

It did? Exactly when, where and how did this happen?

Jat

Around 3000 or so years ago in what is now Israel and Palestine when the Israelites invaded the so-called PROMISED LAND.


Canaan:

1. An ancient country is southwestern Asia on the east coast of the Mediterranean; a place of pilgrimage for Christianity and Islam and Judaism

Canaanite:

1. The extinct language of the Semitic people who occupied Canaan before the Israelite conquest

Jimmy Higgins

Well actually, the Book o' Numbers is about level with the casualty counts during the Vietnam War. If they were true, there would have been no one left in the area.

Jat

Except maybe for the Jews who took over afterwards.

Gurdur

Celsus is of course correct.

No, repeat no, archeological evidence supports the Israelite's claims for blood and thunder at the rough times given; in fact, the archeological evidence is against that, and in favour of an agitprop job.

Moreover, the biological evidence is that both Jews and Palestinians are extremely near-related and both descended from the Caananites.

John Hancock

:notworthy Gurdur :notworthy One of the very first of the Nazi victims was an outspoken Catholic Priest (tidbit).

Mark Alinsky history in your mouth is blasphemy!

Martin Buber