River

Whats the point of these websites. I mean I could have just as easily directed you to jewsforallah.org a website made by ex-Jews who are now convinced of the authenticity of the Holy Qur'an. And quite frankly, Secular Humanism is sooo yesterday.

River

Actually you are spreading misinformation. I am currently a medical student and our Anatomy textbook is writted by world leading embryologist Keith Moore, Phd, FIAC..etc....well he verified that the Qur'an's account is accurate, probably more so than scientific terminology. Well, anyways do you want me to trust a layman who critiques whatever he can get his hands on or say , the person who actually " wrote the book" i.e Keith Moore?

River

This is plain wrong. You are using an english Transliteration. i.e I could interpret the arabic word for " Holy" as "devout" or some other word as "pious". They are not exactly the same. Please use the Original Arabic ( for authenticity purposes). Thank You

River

No, there are no verses in the Qur'an indicating the word kidneys.

River

The number 19 argument is very complex. It definitely occurs way too often to be dictated by chance. However, I have not included the number 19 argument (yet), for it is difficult to confirm unless you have a computer.

Also, the 19 argument is quite different from other numerological arguments dealing with say the Bible and Torah...these often concentrate on "sets of numbers" . I find the number 19 argument fascinating, and I was hoping to find a website that expresses it without getting carried away (i.e reading numbers vertically and horizontally).

Thirdly, the researcher that first discovered the Code 19 system declared himself " the consolidating Prophet of the Covenant" and later got shot in the head for his heresy. His arguments were solid for the most part. Except he wanted to omit two verses of the Qur'an to fit his coded system perfectly. Years later additional researchers discovered that the Code works even better (with even more coded -19 strains) if all verses are kept intact.

Peace
River

River

Well Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) was not a mathematician and it is impossible for such mathematical polarities to appear....especially if we consider the fact that the Revelation was revealed piecemeal. If the Revelation came down overnight, they would have some flexibility ....but I doubt it

Secondly, its kinda weird but people give the Prophet even more credit...

For example, How did he correct the account of Noah's Flood in a manner to match archaelogy . The Qur'an states that the Flood as being Local. Was Muhammad an archaeologist? No

How did the Prophet know that plants have gender? was the Prophet also , a botanist? No

How did the Prophet learn of the Big Bang, That the Universe was made from smoke in its infancy...that the Oceans will once again boil over...that countless stars will die? Was he an astronomer or time traveler? No


Why does the Qur'an say that Islam will oneday be the largest religion in the world ? That verse was revealed when the prophet had only a handful of followers. Now Islam has 1.6 billion adherents and by 2020 it will be the largest religion in the world with 33% population.

Was Muhammad a Prophet and Messenger of G-d ? Yes.

simian

It appears you are correct the verse (one of the verses?) in question does not specifically say kidney, however:

From: http://debate.org.uk/topics/history/quran.htm#I3

I am a bit annoyed with myself I didn't bookmark the other sites I had found the last time I was dealing with science and islam.

To put it bluntly, I find the Koran to be every bit as reliable as the bible when it comes to science (which is to say not at all).

Why do I get the feeling the next response I get will be either 1)inaccurate translation or 2)poetic liberty?

Simian

River

That verse is somewhat generalized but anatomically correct. I will address that verse.

However, many other verses that describe scientific phenomena in the Qur'an tend to be very specific.

River

Al-Tariq 86: 6 –7 may be translated into simple English as:

“Man should consider what it is that he has been created from. He is created from water (fluid) spurting forth, emanating from a place between the (lower) back and the (lower) ribs.”


The "lower" is placed in parenthesis because the Qur'an doesnt' specify and neither does it preclude this possibility.


Even though the male sperm is formed in the testes, the blood supply which, is an essential factor to the making of the sperm comes from between the ribs and the back.


The words of the Qur’an are not scientifically invalid, as the words “emanating from a place between the (lower) back and the (lower) ribs”, do not necessarily imply “emanating in its final shape” only, but can also cover “initial emanation”.


Why are the words “Bayen al-Sulb wa al-Taraayib” (i.e. ‘between the ribs and the back’) used in the Qur'an rather than the phrase “Bayena shayin wa shayin” (i.e. between one thing and another) ?

Upon closer inspection of the verse :

Qur’an (Al-Tariq 86: 6 – 8) says:

“Man should consider what it is that he has been created from. He is created from water (fluid) spurting forth, emanating from a place between the (lower) back and the (lower) ribs. Indeed He [i.e. God] is fully capable of returning him [to life].”


He/she came from a fluid gushing forth, emanating from a place, (not worth mentioning), between the ribs and the back. And yet man behaves with overbearing pride concerning the Day of Judgment. Indeed, God, Who created him the first time, is fully capable of returning him back to life. This theme is also demonstrated here.


[ Noble Qur'an Chapter: 50, Verse: 47]
When we are dead and have become dust and bones
Shall then we indeed be raised again?

[ Noble Qur'an Chapter: 75, Verses: 3 & 4]
Man thinks that, We shall not assemble his bones
Yes Truly! We are able to restore his very fingers!

[Noble Qur'an Chapter: 22, Verse: 7]
The Hour will come there is no doubt
And Allah will raise those who are in the graves.

The Qur'an is an Elegant, Pristine text. There is no direct mention of "penis/vagina" here. Euphemestic allusions are employed. No stories of rape, or incest. People who read or recite the Qur'an do so in a Purified state . A Holy Scripture should be accessible to all, and should not conjure explicit vivid and "provacative " images.

Late_Cretaceous

Quote: How did the Prophet know that plants have gender?

Most plants are hermaphrodites, they Don't have gender. Conifers and flowering plants have both male and female parts on the same plants. How about ferns? You cannot say a fern is male or female. One of the few plants I know of that do have gender is the Ginko - which was a very rare tree up until the last century, only surviving in one grove.