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John Hancock __________________ "Fascism,should more properly be called corporatism, since it is the merger of state and corporate power." Mussolini |
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![]() BTW, not only do you seem to have a bias against the Jews, but apart from your maladroit phrasing, you seem to have a bias against Europeans. ![]() May I ever so humbly inform you that: 1) Many European cultural/national groups have countries of their own, despite being only Europeans 2) You ignored the fact I briefly mentioned on the other thread the genetic evidence that Ashekenazi share a common close ancestorship with the Sephardi... I mentioned mitochondrial and Y-chromosone evidence, and I'll also throw in that there's another study which shows close genetic connections between the Israelis (whether Ashkenazi or Sephardi) and Palestinians. The fact you ignored that does not surprise me; you seem to only want things which will confirm your prejudice. A most unskeptical and unscientific stance of yours. 3) There are many Israeli Sephardi. Think about it. ![]() |
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John Hancock for a nice turn of critical phrase; Enfant terrible for a knowledge of history (Liberia) way over and above the usual lamentable level of knowledge of history so often expressed on this board. ![]() |
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The Ottomans conquered much of the Middle East through immense bloodshed, and kept in power in dictatorial ways (I won't even mention the bloodthirsty periods before the Ottoman Empire, which at least kept some peace even if by force). The Middle East was then largely conquered by Britain and France following WW 1. Again, bloodshed. This was all way before the Zionist movement you love to dislike had any real effect at all on the region. Quote:
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![]() The worst persecution blacks destined for North America faced was in the cross-Atlantic slaving ships (up to 50 % mortality rates). Compared to that, the suffering actually inside the States was smaller, and still does not compare with the Holocaust. Quote:
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Examples include land and house claims following the fall of the Wall in East Germany (1989), ditto with Czechoslovakia and Poland. Quote:
To choose the Jews ---- Ogden Nash I'ld love to know why you obssess about the Jews so much, especially the Ashkenazi. ![]() I also love the way you decide from your American armchair just who is entitled to a country and who not. ![]() ____________ Now for (just some of) The Genetic Evidence (I'll add more later): Quote:
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But let me add this for now: personally (unlike you, Pallant), I do not care in the slightest whether Jews are genetically related or not; I merely cite the evidence to debunk your claims. The fact is, they form a distinct cultural/national group, and as Woodrow Wilson stated, the right to self-determination is a right for all cultural/national groups of a practical size. ![]() |
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The fact is, they form a distinct cultural/national group, and as Woodrow Wilson stated, the right to self-determination is a right for all cultural/national groups of a practical size. Would any body explain to me what are the cultural/national criteria in common between the Jewish flasha (Ethiopian Jews) and the polish Jews? Omar |
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And both groups recognise each other as close relations based on that fact ? And therefore both recognise each other as parts of the same overall cultural/national group ? My word, that was a hard question. ![]() |
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