emotional

No. I've abandoned the dogma that nature is all there is.

Starboy

Fine then, you seek your explanations from the supernaturalists. Based on your many previous posts my guess is that your major reason for doing this is to seek comfort. There is nothing wrong with that. But you seem so defensive about it.

emotional

My faith in life after death keeps me living properly. Without faith in life after death, I'm overwhelmed by the fear of death. If death is final then I live in constant fear of it. I'm not afraid of dying, I'm afraid of being dead (if death is really the end). I'm defensive because, all over these forums, my belief in life after death is shattered to pieces all the time, and time and again I have to rebuild it.

I'm backing out of the debate about life after death. For me, the phenomena I've cited in this link are proof of life after death. Other people here think of them as pseudoscience. And well they may, because they have no fear of death to contend with. NDEs are not watertight proof of life after death (if they were, there would be no debate about them), but for me, who am looking for any source of the hope for life after death I can muster, they are.

This debate about life after death has done nothing but raise my blood pressure and secrete tears out of my eyes. I must stop before something bad happens to me.

Starboy

If it hurts when you post, don't post. But my guess is you can't help it. My guess is that you have a compulsive disorder. That no amount of rationalizing using natural or supernatural explanations is going to help. You need professional help. What goes on here on this forum can't be helping you.

Starboy

emotional

Have you ever thought about what death means? If death is final, that is? No feeling, no thought, no sense, no nothing! The whole universe just thrown into the garbage! And it can happen any moment. Just a small cardiac artery blocked, and there goes the universe! Sure, the universe will be going on, but there will be no more "me" that participates in it! To be alive for a short time, and then to be snuffed out like a candle! To be plunged into death everlasting! Can you imagine it? I feel like I'm writing on sand!

But if death is not final, if death is just a transition of the soul out of the material plane to a different one, then I can truly live! My actions will have had their worth. The universe is stable, and I'm a stable participant in it. I feel like etching on stone, a lasting lifetime of lasting actions. If death is not the end, then I have nothing to fear. No fear of the universe. No hatred of the universe.

Indeed faith is better than doubt; faith is life that triumphs over death, while doubt is the dark night that sends waves of fear down the spine. Whether there be evidence for life after death or no, I believe in life after death, and I will seek any source I can to convince myself that life after death is true and real.

Amaranth

This really fails to frighten me. Pain frightens me. Heights (irrationally) frighten me.

*shrug*

To each their own.

This, however, does frighten me. Eternity is an awful long time, and I want no part of it, thank you. Boredom is a vicous form of mental anguish.

If this is the case, and you adamantly refuse to seek actual help for the real problem, I strongly suggest against this board. This place is set up for debate on such subjects, the overwhelming majority being against them. Persisting in debating such things here with such a condition is masochism.

I'll not give quarter to a false idea just because someone holds it as important. Not here. You are an adult, and you know better than I the community here. What possesses you to believe mercy would exist amongst people here specifically to discuss and debunk such concepts?

Amaranth

xian

the soul is immaterial. it is not tangible.

is your freewill tangible?

emotional

You're right. But I tried to leave the boards in the past, only to return after a short time. The reason: currently I have no friends in real life; the people on this board are all I've got for community and discussion.

I started long ago on these boards as an atheist and materialist, just like you are now. I acquired belief because of my fear of death. I now stay on the boards because of the reason I stated above. Leaving the boards is not an option for me.

Amaranth

*sigh* Again in the same thread? Here we go...:

Where's the extrordinary proof for these extrordinary claims?

What free will? I suggest a new thread if you want to go about trying to prove that particular issue. In the philosophy forum, preferably.

Also, while on the subject of extrodinary claims and new threads, another one would be your claim that humans are supernatural.

Amaranth

Starboy

Emotional, get help. I think the operators of this board would be doing you a favor if they banned you. Not for anything you have said or done but for your own peace of mind.

Starboy