Queen of Swords

Originally posted by Thiaoouba:
<strong>You dismiss things based on popular opinion.</strong>

No, I dismiss them because the other aliens told me to do so.

&lt;hands Thiaoouba a Great Rose Red Eye t-shirt&gt;

Now you are no longer the enemy. Go, spread the love!

MOJO-JOJO

Actually, this ad hominem is directed at people like you who accept any whimsical notion and 'popular opinion' wihout further investigation. This is why many people "get religious". Haven't you at least "gotten that" from your little foray here into the pool of reason?

Here is a quote that speaks to you and your kind;

"I worry that, especially as the millennium edges nearer, pseudo-science and supersticion will seem year by year more tempting, the siren song of unreason more sonorous and attractive . Where have we heard it before? Whenever our ethnic or national prejudices are aroused, in times of scarcity, during the challenges to national self-esteem or nerve,when we agonize about our diminished cosmic place and purpose, or when fanaticism is bubbling up around us [sound familiar?] - then, habits of thought familiar from ages past reach for the controls. The candle flame gutters,it's little pool of light trembles, darkness gathers. The Demons begin to stir."

~~~~Carl Sagan, The Demon-Haunted World

(btw, Einstein....one 'r' in guaranteed )

[ August 09, 2002: Message edited by: MOJO-JOJO ]</p>

Writer@Large

See my post, page two of this thread. I analysed "The Freedom of Choice" and found it seriously wanting. A few months back, I also read through "The Thiaoouba Prophesy" and found it silly. Do you have any comments on my criticism? Do you see the flaw in Chalko's initial chapter, the one that renders the rest of the book worthless? Can you provide the evidence for irreducable complexity that Chalko doesn't?

--W@L

Starboy

The fact that Thiaoouba believes as he does is of no interest to me. What I am curious about is why he feels the need to share his beliefs on this forum. Perhaps deep down he is not convinced and hopes someone can talk him out of it?

Starboy

Jonesy

It would take a lot, but I'm open to anyone proving to me why evolution is the way to go. For example, how did evolution account for the very complex DNA. Therefore, can anyone maybe give me any link to any rebuttal of this: (if any such rebuttal exists):

<a href="http://www.origins.org/offices/thaxton/docs/thaxton_dna.html" target="_blank">http://www.origins.org/offices/thaxton/docs/thaxton_dna.html</a>

I found the above article very convincing; if I could read something against such reasoning then perhaps I would accept that 'random and meaningless evolution led to the existence of DNA'.

Starboy

Hi Thiaoouba,

IMHO the problem lies in an attempt to find the “truth” and the requirements of proof. In a universe where we arrive on the scene knowing nothing about how it works, no one can claim to have the truth or can claim to prove anything. The smart money should be on the approach that has yielded the best results. Hands down, that would have to be science, THE MOST SUCCESSFUL HUMAN ENDEVOUR FOR UNDERSTANDING OUR SURROUNDINGS IN THE HISTORY OF MANKIND.

Starboy

I just like saying that sooooo much.

Writer@Large

First, you asked for critique of "Freedom of Choice." I gave you some. Why are you ignoring my criticisms?

Be still my heart! Thiaoouba actually posts a link to something other than a Dr. Chalko website. Now, if only he could explain how he found a paper on Christian ID theory "very convincing" as evidence of Tinkering From the Ninth Planet ...

--W@L

MOJO-JOJO

Actually, this 'argument' by Thaxton presents nothing that hasn't been used before by ID'ers and creationists. It is simply a re-packaging of the same old views and assertions from his viewpoint, with arguments that have been soundly refuted ad nauseum. Many at Talk.origins, this website, various scientific websites, etc.

In fact, the July 29th issue of US News & World Report had an excellent cover story called, "The New Reality of Evolution", that very nicely summarized what we have learned about evolution and why. It's a very simple yet highly informative piece written at the average layperson's level, and which very nicely addresses many of the 'views' presented by Thaxton.

Keep in mind, if one believes in Zeus and Mt. Olympus, then one will endeavor to see the world as a product of that belief/viewpoint and try to convince others as well, whether true or not.

If one does not see the world from any definitive, philosophical vantage point, then one will endeavor to explore and understand the universe from an objective, analytical, hard-evidence oriented perspective....what, where, when, how and why? Theists always respond to 3 of these 5 with "God", which is just a plain lazy and/or ignorant way to sidestep the discussion and avoid having to admit that your opinion is not well supported and that YOU may be 'wrong'.

Here is a link to the article, unfortunately it has to be 'purchased'.

(Can't link. Go to <a href="http://www.usnews.com," target="_blank">www.usnews.com,</a> type 'evolution' in search box)

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Oolon Colluphid

As opposed to “the” simple DNA? Try RNA. Or clay crystals. Do Google for ‘RNA World’ or a PubMed search for ‘origins of life’.

Here’s something for you to ponder, Thia: if DNA was designed, how come about 95% of the human genome is non-coding gibberish? Do a search for ‘Alu sequences’. How come 40% of the fruitfly genome is composed of three bits of ‘satelite DNA’ -- that’s three bits just seven basepairs long, repeated eleven million, 3.6 million and 3.6 million times, and none of it does anything?

Oolon

Jonesy

sorry, can you again post a link to your criticisms? But I remember that they were not to the point, really.