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Opera Nut · 07-01-2003, 09:37 PM

Great cheap shot Biff!! Best laugh I've had all day!!

M's psychic skills may only go as far as finding his tokus
with both hands and a Ouija Board, as we say in Texas.

:notworthy

Cipher Girl · 07-01-2003, 11:27 PM

Magus55, you are simply a Christian of Jewish heritage. If you follow the teachings of Jesus and the New Testament, then you are a Christian. Why are you so reluctant to use the word "Christian"?

EstherRose · 07-02-2003, 12:27 AM

I see nothing wrong with the term Messianic Jew.

I question though Opera Nut's seemingly personal vendetta against Magus. You got a grudge or something ON?

Rational BAC · 07-02-2003, 03:25 AM

Opera Nut does seem to have a grudge about this whole thing. Stubborn as hell too.

What do you expect from a Texan anyway? I don't think any Texan will admit he or she is wrong about anything.

(actually I like Texans----one of my brothers lives in Houston)

Tishrei4 · 07-02-2003, 04:07 AM

Just wondering Magus... is Jesus G-d incarnate?

What does Maimonides say about that?

How about Sabbatai Sevi? Some of those Jews believed he was G-d incarnate too.

Biff the unclean · 07-02-2003, 01:38 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by EstherRose
I see nothing wrong with the term Messianic Jew.

There isn't anything wrong with it. But the Jews are still waiting for their Messiah.
If you'll check to see what the Jews expect from a Messiah you'll find that Jesus doesn't fit the job description. Not only didn't he save the Jews but Israel got wiped off the face of the Earth and he told his followers to forget about all the laws in the Torah. Read the NT and you find the Romans are stern but very just and the Jews are horrible people--Christ killers. The NT is about as anti-Semitic as you can get.

What is being called a "Messianic Jew" in this thread is a division (cult?) of the Southern Baptists that has targeted Jews as their victims.

Opera Nut · 07-02-2003, 06:53 PM

Thanks RatBac and Esther for that sweeping indictment of 20 Million People who live in Texas. ALL 20 Million of us must be like.....THAT!! [[sarcasm alert]]]

Biff, you've restated what I and others have already said. Repetition seems to have no effect. You are absolutely correct.

I don't know why M is so afraid of the word "Christian". He's fooling himself and everyone else. Seems like lots of people love to get in the face of the infidel and proclaim their "Christian love" by trying to forcibly convert us to their faith. These people think that telling everyone they are a Good Christian means we're supposed to trust them.......They have not a monopoly on goodness.

A Messianic Jew is a no-brainer contradiction in terms and I have no idea why it's so hard for some to understand.

Sort of like "Good Christian Evangelist who consorts with hookers and molests children as well [See numerous examples]."

Another example:William Bennett self-appointed as the Moral Arbiter of America, caught gambling away $6 million dollars that he said "he could afford to lose".

Or a person who says, "I believe Jesus is the Messiah, but I believe in one god, Allah, and that Mohammed is the Only Prophet of God".

And how come if a woman is assertive, then she's "Stubborn" but a man is "decisive"?

yguy · 07-02-2003, 07:33 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Opera Nut
A person who believes Jesus is the Messiah is a Christian. Period.

The person who called Himself Jesus believed He was the Messiah, and He was an observant Jew - and He was certainly not a Christian.

Rational BAC · 07-02-2003, 08:09 PM

True enough--

Jesus was a Jew. Considered himself a Jew for His whole lifetime. Why would He think He was Christian? (There was no such concept at the time. )

Of course He wouldn't.

Magus just wants to be a 1st century Jew. What is wrong with that?

Magus has got you Opera Nut. Why not just admit it? (Texans can be SOO stubborn)

Opera Nut · 07-02-2003, 09:35 PM

I will not argue about whether Jesus said he was the Messiah when he said "Sum via veritas, et vita". I am not referring to any theological interpretation of the alleged words of Jesus.
Especially since there is no historical record of his existence and the Council of Nicea decided which books were to be canonicall (i.e. authoritative). That is in Biblical History and Archaeology.

I stand by my previous statement:

Originally posted by Opera Nut
A person who believes Jesus is the Messiah is a Christian. Period.

He still hasn't told us why he is so afraid to be called a Christian.

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07-01-2003, 09:37 PM	#31
Opera Nut Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Houston TX Posts: 1,671	Great cheap shot Biff!! Best laugh I've had all day!! M's psychic skills may only go as far as finding his tokus with both hands and a Ouija Board, as we say in Texas. :notworthy

07-01-2003, 11:27 PM	#32
Cipher Girl Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Sunny Southern California Posts: 657	Magus55, you are simply a Christian of Jewish heritage. If you follow the teachings of Jesus and the New Testament, then you are a Christian. Why are you so reluctant to use the word "Christian"?

07-02-2003, 12:27 AM	#33
EstherRose Regular Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Arizona Posts: 183	I see nothing wrong with the term Messianic Jew. I question though Opera Nut's seemingly personal vendetta against Magus. You got a grudge or something ON?

07-02-2003, 03:25 AM	#34
Rational BAC Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Tampa Bay area Posts: 3,471	Opera Nut does seem to have a grudge about this whole thing. Stubborn as hell too. What do you expect from a Texan anyway? I don't think any Texan will admit he or she is wrong about anything. (actually I like Texans----one of my brothers lives in Houston)

07-02-2003, 04:07 AM	#35
Tishrei4 Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Lake Odessa, Mi Posts: 10	Just wondering Magus... is Jesus G-d incarnate? What does Maimonides say about that? How about Sabbatai Sevi? Some of those Jews believed he was G-d incarnate too.

07-02-2003, 06:53 PM	#37
Opera Nut Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Houston TX Posts: 1,671	Thanks RatBac and Esther for that sweeping indictment of 20 Million People who live in Texas. ALL 20 Million of us must be like.....THAT!! [[sarcasm alert]]] Biff, you've restated what I and others have already said. Repetition seems to have no effect. You are absolutely correct. I don't know why M is so afraid of the word "Christian". He's fooling himself and everyone else. Seems like lots of people love to get in the face of the infidel and proclaim their "Christian love" by trying to forcibly convert us to their faith. These people think that telling everyone they are a Good Christian means we're supposed to trust them.......They have not a monopoly on goodness. A Messianic Jew is a no-brainer contradiction in terms and I have no idea why it's so hard for some to understand. Sort of like "Good Christian Evangelist who consorts with hookers and molests children as well [See numerous examples]." Another example:William Bennett self-appointed as the Moral Arbiter of America, caught gambling away $6 million dollars that he said "he could afford to lose". Or a person who says, "I believe Jesus is the Messiah, but I believe in one god, Allah, and that Mohammed is the Only Prophet of God". And how come if a woman is assertive, then she's "Stubborn" but a man is "decisive"?

07-02-2003, 08:09 PM	#39
Rational BAC Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Tampa Bay area Posts: 3,471	True enough-- Jesus was a Jew. Considered himself a Jew for His whole lifetime. Why would He think He was Christian? (There was no such concept at the time. ) Of course He wouldn't. Magus just wants to be a 1st century Jew. What is wrong with that? Magus has got you Opera Nut. Why not just admit it? (Texans can be SOO stubborn)

07-02-2003, 09:35 PM	#40
Opera Nut Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Houston TX Posts: 1,671	I will not argue about whether Jesus said he was the Messiah when he said "Sum via veritas, et vita". I am not referring to any theological interpretation of the alleged words of Jesus. Especially since there is no historical record of his existence and the Council of Nicea decided which books were to be canonicall (i.e. authoritative). That is in Biblical History and Archaeology. I stand by my previous statement: Originally posted by Opera Nut A person who believes Jesus is the Messiah is a Christian. Period. He still hasn't told us why he is so afraid to be called a Christian.

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