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Old 04-19-2003, 08:04 AM   #21
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I'm talking vertebrates that normally reproduce sexually. All it would take is a meiotic mistake to produce a 2N egg and suddenly Jesus is a clone of Mary. It's more likely than supernatural intervention. (Of course if we grant the historicity of Jesus, the most likely explanation is that Jesus did contain paternal DNA.) At least we have confirmed examples of "virgin" births somewhere in the animal kingdom. That's more than can be said for all things supernatural. I was always amazed in Catholic school that we took Genesis, Exodus, etc... as allegorical myths but the virgin birth, angel visitations, resurrections, post-resurection visions, Mary in a Tortilla Chip, Jesus in Burnt Toast, etc... were all to be taken literally.
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It might even be fun to tease a Catholic with a picture of a "virgin mother" -- an aphid.
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Old 04-19-2003, 11:27 AM   #23
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We are talking about humans here, not reptiles. A human can not survive with 23 Chromosomes, and iv'e never heard of any case in human history where the mothers DNA copied itself twice, with no father DNA.
We're talking biology. The mechanism exists. For the record, I imagine there are great deal of medical cases you've never heard of. eh?
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A human egg can not create a human by itself.
Ahem. Two comments come to mind.

1. "god works in mysterious ways"
2. "A man cannot rise from the dead." (said with whatever straight face you just used for making your statement.)

Take your pick.
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We're talking biology. The mechanism exists. For the record, I imagine there are great deal of medical cases you've never heard of. eh?

Ahem. Two comments come to mind.

1. "god works in mysterious ways"
2. "A man cannot rise from the dead." (said with whatever straight face you just used for making your statement.)

Take your pick.
First of all, you have yet to show me of any medical cases where this has taken place, and whats your point with the comments? I'm not talking about the supernatural since you don't believe in it. Yes God can easily do that, but since in your world, God doesn't exist - how would it have happened?
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First of all, you have yet to show me of any medical cases where this has taken place, and whats your point with the comments? I'm not talking about the supernatural since you don't believe in it. Yes God can easily do that, but since in your world, God doesn't exist - how would it have happened?
um, She got knocked up by some body else? That would be the most logical answer. I am not saying that is what I think happened. But the virgin birth is by no means hard for atheists to explain. They are just having some fun with the biological references. I don't think any of them believe Jesus was a female clone. They are just being playful.
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