dk

In fact, the year after an abortion a women is 4 times more likely to die, then if she delivered the baby.

Daleth

You know that when a peson says "to bring a child into this world" they don't mean anything like "put this ball into the closet." They mean consciousness and birth, which your kidney can't have. You know it's a metaphor and you're just playing with the language. It's clear that you're playing, so it's not a useful argument.

BTW she said a child, not a fetus.

If you choose to keep your balls in a box in the closet that is no business of mine, and I'll thank you to keep it to yourself.

Dal

yguy

OK, but there is plenty of evidence that fetuses have some level of consciousness, and to say a child is not in the world until it is born is certainly convenient from the pro-abortion POV, but it is patently false. It is tantamount to saying that a human life doesn't exist if we don't acknowledge its existence.

dk

Does a fetus have parents?...

1. if YES then whose child is it?
2. if NO then how do people procreate?
3. none of the above

please explain your answer

Daleth

Thank you. It's a turn of phrase much older than the modern debate about abortion. Pro-choice peole did not come up with it. Neither did pro-abortion people. (I have known 1 or 2 pro-abortion people.) Whether or not you see it as convenient doesn't matter. Pro-life people use the same turn of phrase. It sounds lovely.

I do not argue with your statement that past certain stages of development fetuses become conscious. I also don't argue that a woman should be able to choose to abort for anything but medical reasons past that point.

Dal

Daleth

In a strictly biological sense a fetus has parents. It isn't anybody's child. It's not a child. It's a fetus. Before that it's an embryo and before that it's a blastocyst.

In a real sense, there's a hell of a lot more to being a parent than being able to get someone pregnant or being able to get pregnant yourself. So in a real sense, a fetus might have parents, and then again it might not.

Dal

yguy

I think it does, if it is used - even unconsciously - to obscure the fact that the fetus is a human life. That's why I made an issue of it, not to be gratuitously argumentative.

scigirl

Those of you who are anti-abortion, I a couple questions for you:

Would you be willing to adopt an unwanted child? You, personally?

And would you be willing to fund the prenatal care for the mother?

scigirl

scigirl

Do you have a reference for this statistic?

scigirl

yguy

To the first, I'm not parent material at this time.

To the second, that is already done through the WIC program, I believe. While I'd rather see it done through the private sector, there are lots of programs I'd cut before that one.