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Old 06-22-2003, 08:57 PM   #11
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DD asked if it might ber a hoax. If so, it's getting impetus from organized creationists. The Twin Cities Creation Science Association links to "Common Sense Science" which pushes that model of physics. Russ McGlenn is apparently associated with TCCSA.

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I think better responses will be had in S&S. If it doesn't fit it can be moved back.
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More interesting than the what is the why...

To attack evolution is logical for certain brands of theists, as it is a direct competitor with the Genesis account of creation, or whatever account they go by.

However, at least the physics most commonly known to the layman actually seem to support the idea of a God with the big bang. Now, of course I know there are explanations of the big bang that require no God, but you have to wonder why these people even care. For example, when the topic of science and faith came up in theology class at my school (and this is a Jesuit school, if you're wondering), most people took the big bang theory as good evidence that the universe had a creator. Why even get the pseudoscientists in there to get laughed at by the real physicists? Almost seems to me that they're shooting themselves in the foot.
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2. The new model defines light as a wave and explains its movement in outer space. It rejects the duality principle that light is both a wave and a particle (a logical contradiction and an assumption inconsistent with God's nature and design) .
Yes, it's totally incosistent with a god who is three things in one and Jesus who is both man and god.
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Yes, it's totally incosistent with a god who is three things in one and Jesus who is both man and god.
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This simplifies all forces in the universe to two: electrical and magnetic.
Umm, the magnetic force is the electric force; it can be explained by applying Special Relativity to moving charges. I guess they have to throw that out because they want to throw out all of Einstein's work?

So there is a new theory. The question should be, what predictions does it make that can be tested, that differentiate it from the current theory? Or can it explain everything the current theory can, but more simply? I guess I'd sure like to know how it explains gravity.

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For example, gravity, the cause, makes a pencil fall to the ground, creating the effect.
I remember one especially boring high school math class. Someone organized us so that at a specified trigger we would all drop our pencils on the ground at the same time (an act cleverly named the "pencil drop"). I recollect the math teacher being a bit bewildered but a good sport about it.
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When valid scientific theories conflict with someone's presuppositions about how the world should be, it really is pathetic that it's the science that must change.
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When valid scientific theories conflict with someone's presuppositions about how the world should be, it really is pathetic that it's the science that must change.
Well I'd like to know how antirealists and social constructivist critics of science deal with nonsense like this "Grant unification theory". I suppose these versions are all variations of the truth.

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Well I'd like to know how antirealists and social constructivist critics of science deal with nonsense like this "Grant unification theory". I suppose these versions are all variations of the truth.
Rather than mischaracterising your opponents, you could actually do some study and hence answer your question for yourself.
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Rather than mischaracterising your opponents, you could actually do some study and hence answer your question for yourself.
Social constructivists do say exactly that. It's not the slightest bit of a mischaracterisation when you have them extolling Native American creation legends as on a par with scientific discoveries and theories. Likewise, while they are loathe to side with creationists, it is implicit in their thought that they would have to accept that as well. But Hugo, I am currently reading about 20 different books on various topics, and don't have all the time in the world. Perhaps you could be of help and tell me how antirealists or even social constructivists deal with those questions?

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