Koyaanisqatsi

Have you read Crossan's Who Killed Jesus? He posits that all of the passion narratives are exegetical (is that a word?) from the (christian) Old Testament and that the "Cross Gospel" (as he calls it) was concocted by Peter and the others simply copied it and embellished it from there.

Fascinating and exhaustive, though having never read the Gospel of Peter, a little hard for me to readily follow.

Amos

The death of Judas equals the annihilation of the humanity (the inner drive ) of Jesus nee Joseph. The crucifixion that followed became the evidence of it. Notice that before this Jesus always "slipped out of the crowds" and was never reproachable.

boneyard bill

Kosh writes:

That's a good question. I assume that after the diaspora the feast of tabernacles would have changed dramatically. It would have become a family and ethnic celebration, not a national one. So maybe you had to be a historian to know about these details to begin with. But I have tried to find Goulder's article on the web and cannot. There are articles by Goulder, but not this one. But it seems to me that this is the best evidence that there is a real event behind Mark's gospel. It would make no sense to conflate these two feasts in writing Midrash.

boneyard bill

koyaanisqatsi writes:

I have read Crossan but not that book. Again, I have to say that I think Michael Goulder's claim that the Passover account includes details from the feast of tabernacles is the best evidence that there was a real event behind Mark's gospel. It just wouldn't make sense to conflate these two feasts if you were making the story up.

boneyard bill

Amos writes:

I'm sorry, but I have no idea what you're trying to say here.

Kosh

Also of note here is the utter lack of apologetic
attempts by the Xians on this board. Where have
all the Xians gone?

Amos

The twelve apostles are personified mental forces of the life of the reborn Joseph now called Jesus.
Jude was the inner (subconscious) determination of faith which at rebirth was consciously nihilated and here now is unconsciously annihilated. In other words the faith of the soul nature of Joseph was exhausted and soon to be terminated. A good scripture to this effect is "While he was still speaking, Judas, on of the Twelve, arrived with a great crowd with swords and clubs" (Mt.26:47). The crowd here was all the courage Judas (my personification of inner faith) could muster etc.

Notice also that Thomas is doubt but means "twin" and is the other half of Peter who was faith in the story.

To explain the whole thing would take much more than I am prepared to offer at this time and requires your acceptance that Jesus was the reborn Joseph first.

Vorkosigan

BB

Goulder has since repudiated the idea of Mark as midrashic construction, although Spong continues to believe it. AFAIK it has no defenders now in the scholarly community, although Polycarp or Haran might be able to correct my impression.

Michael

MortalWombat

I don't know how you would define "scholarly community," but Earl Doherty sees much of the gospels as midrash, and Robert Price seems to entertain the idea as well.

CX

A)Earl Doherty is hardly a part of the community of biblical scholars redgardless of what we might think of his theories.

B)There is no question that GMt at least contains midrashical elements, the argument is simply that GMk cannot be described as midrashical in nature. Given AMk's apparently poor understanding of Hebrew scripture and Jewish custom and practice it seems unlikely that he is up to the task of something as subtle as Jewish midrash. Plus AMk's rather poor command of greek syntax and his utter lack of literary artifice seems unlikely to be the work of a highly intellectual and educated individual.