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Old 08-20-2002, 08:45 AM   #21
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'The universe in a nutshell' should not go on the same shelf as 'the universe of a nut'.


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I've noticed that bookstores, especially mega-bookstores like B&N, frequently mix Creationism/ID books with science books. I think the reason is that people working in bookstores aren't all that aware of the of the evo/cre debate. I suspect they just go by quick scans of the covers.
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I wrote a letter to the Toronto Public Library advising them that they had at least one title ("Icons Of Evolution") mixed in with the real science books, and I received a positive response from them, but nothing seems to have been done about it. They also have "Darwin's Black Box" in the biology section.
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If this shite can infiltrate such places, what hope for ordinary bookshops?!
I realize that this may be a vain exercise. It's possible that my correspondence will just wind up in the trash. Or it's possible that I'll find a sympathetic ear who is in total agreement. At least that's the audience I'm aiming for. And writing my protest will make me feel better that I didn't just blow it off and chalk it up to the store's ignorance.

Thank you, David Bowden/wide-eyed wanderer, for the info. You had much more success that I did with Google (must have been my lame search terms). I may pursue some of those leads later (I'll put them in my "Carl Baugh" folder). I'm baffled why a bona fide emeritus would lend credibility to the likes of Carl Baugh, though.

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Marlyn E. Clark, Our Amazing Circulatory System, Technical Monograph No. 5 (San Diego: Creation-Life Publishers, 1976).
Hey, Albion, check the link in David Bowden's post. That's Marilyn. Now we have:

Martin E. Clark
Marlyn E. Clark
Marilyn E. Clark

So now it has become apparent that creationists can clone M.E. Clarks to do their bidding. Everybody run!
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Old 08-20-2002, 12:31 PM   #22
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This, in the bookshop of the organisation that put out such a strong statement after the Emmanuel College business, I find outrageous. If this shite can infiltrate such places, what hope for ordinary bookshops?!
Did you complain to anybody? What was the response?

Glad to see that "Tower of Babel" by Pennock is in the religion section of our local bookshop, not the science section. At least it shows that the shop knows what the issues really are. Behe's masterpiece is nowheret o be found.
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Since Baugh is completely fraudulent in what he writes and what he claims for his credentials...

I don't feel the least bit guilty 'misplacing' a book like this...oh, say, into the religion section. Or maybe even science fiction and fantasy.



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I don't feel the least bit guilty 'misplacing' a book like this...oh, say, into the religion section. Or maybe even science fiction and fantasy.



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Why mess up science fiction???

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FWIW <a href="http://www.textbookleague.org" target="_blank"> the Textbook League</a> reviews books for school libraries and tries to weed out things like religious indoctrination. Not exactly scigirl's federal agency, but it's a start I guess.
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Yeah, why not go for some creative reshelving? Put the creationist and ID books over in the mythology section of the bookstore or library. Hide them behind some ponderous tome that nobody is likely to buy or borrow.
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I am not sure I like the idea of putting the quack science books in some other section besides science. This could very easy be abused by either zealots or librarians who don't know the subject very well. And who is to decide? Sure Wells, Johnson, Gish, Sarfati, Hovind, etc. are clearly quacks but there are a lot of authors out there that blur the line. I am a bit afraid of a slippery slope here.

I am surprised that anyone ever mistook Icons for an evolution book long enough to buy it. The endorsements on the back cover should have made it clear that this was a work of evolution denial. A quick look at the preface or introduction would also made it clear as would a glance at almost any page. I don't think that the charge that Icons was disguised as a mainstream evolution book hold any water. What hold water is that Wells used distortion in his text of his book.
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Yes, it's a slippery slope, but scigirls idea for a monitoring watchdog association for books would be the perfect moderator. Many books I know of could really do with disclaimers, or even age restrictions. I am talking about the whole of literature here, not just crap science.
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I am surprised that anyone ever mistook Icons for an evolution book long enough to buy it. The endorsements on the back cover should have made it clear that this was a work of evolution denial.
Exactly. And there it is in the science section of your friendly neighbourhood bookstore, so evolution denial must be bona fide science. Just because we can see through that doesn't mean everybody can.
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Hide them behind some ponderous tome that nobody is likely to buy or borrow.
Great idea. S.J. Gould's The Structure of Evolutionary Theory would be ideal for this purpose.
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