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Ronin · 07-12-2003, 05:41 AM

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1Cr 15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

There'll be a run on duct tape I figure.

Diadectes · 07-12-2003, 05:53 AM

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And maybe ill stop patronizing you as though you were kids, when you start acting like adults instead of making childish, sarcastic, and insulting remarks every other post.

Magus, perhaps if you start answering the points people make with proper arguments rather than getting your knickers in a twist or (as is more common) simply running away every time the holes in your thinking are exposed, people will begin to treat you more as an equal rather than as the figure of fun you seem to have become on this board. I for one am still waiting for answers to the questions I asked you on the Angels thread. You're not going to convert anyone here, so unless you actually intend to engage in proper debate at some point, it seems a little odd you being here. Please understand, I am not trying to be insulting, I just don't understand what benefit you get from this.

Magus55 · 07-12-2003, 10:40 AM

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Originally posted by Diadectes
Magus, perhaps if you start answering the points people make with proper arguments rather than getting your knickers in a twist or (as is more common) simply running away every time the holes in your thinking are exposed, people will begin to treat you more as an equal rather than as the figure of fun you seem to have become on this board. I for one am still waiting for answers to the questions I asked you on the Angels thread. You're not going to convert anyone here, so unless you actually intend to engage in proper debate at some point, it seems a little odd you being here. Please understand, I am not trying to be insulting, I just don't understand what benefit you get from this.

And what would consitute a debate from a Christian that doesn't get them insulted? I debate from my view point and base it on the Bible and God. Atheists are against Christianity, so as long as my arguments continue to have a Christian base behind them, there will always be insults and sarcastic remarks. We will never be treated as equals because you see us as inferior.

Queen of Swords · 07-12-2003, 10:44 AM

Originally posted by Magus55
as long as my arguments continue to have a Christian base behind them, there will always be insults and sarcastic remarks.

Well, I'm glad you recognize your failing. That's the first step to solving the problem. The next step is an apology from you, followed by a promise to try not to do it again.

Biff the unclean · 07-12-2003, 12:57 PM

It is funny though that Magus is so concerned about time tables and not about floating in the air.
1Cr 15:52 says nothing about clouds and air. It says that the dead will be raised (yuk) and we will be changed. Doesn't mention what the change is though. But if you are going into the clouds to be with Jesus forever it probably means that you are going to start to inflate with gas. I hope it's helium. A lot of Xians are heavy smokers and if they filled up with hydrogen things could get messy. "Oh, the humanity!"
After all "rapture of the deep" happens when you get too much nitrogen desolved in your blood. Plain ole "rapture" might be from all that helium. I wonder if when they are praising god, over and over and over and over and over and over and over...for eternity, if they will be doing it in those high squeaky helium voices?

//riot of disorder:: · 07-12-2003, 01:24 PM

Um, Magus, have you ever considered maybe that the whole second coming thinger is sentimental, like that Jebus would come back in people's hearts? Anyway, here's a song for you.

Ayreon- Intergalatic Space Crusaders

Loner:
We're on our way to a prison in space
Our last flight, the final phase
I was betrayed and now I've been caught
As the brains of a massive fraud

Idealist:
I can't remember, am I insane?
My mind is blank cos they emptied my brain
I will return, I will be back
I will unite us and we will attack

Loner:
I don't care about your plans and schemes
Don't give a damn 'bout your righteous dreams
All that I do, I do for myself
I never cared for anyone else

Idealist:
We have to save them, we have to try
We can't just watch while the innocent die
Let's steal this ship and start our crusade
Powerful allies will come to our aid

Loner:
Seven fighters
Idealist:
Navigators
Crew:
Intergalactic space crusaders
Loner:
Federation
Idealist:
Dictators
Crew:
No scruples, lethal traitors
Loner:
Outriders
Idealist:
Invaders
Crew:
Intergalactic space crusaders
Loner:
Domination
Idealist:
Liberators
Crew:
Fighting to survive

Loner:
Who on earth do you think that you are
Without me you wouldn't get far
I've had enough of your private war
Why are we fighting, what is it all for?

Idealist:
To right the wrong, to fight the good fight
Living like you just wouldn't be right
I am the leader, I have the skills
Either you leave or you yield to my will

Loner:
I can't believe you gave us away
Although it hurts, I will make you pay
Don't understand, can't figure out why
All I know, you have to die!

Idealist:
Our strong bond couldn't keep us apart
I've always trusted you right from the start
You've been deceived, they're telling you lies
I'm still the same, I'm on your side

It was this or Jews in Space.

emotional · 07-12-2003, 02:20 PM

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Originally posted by Magus55
We will never be treated as equals because you see us as inferior.

This cuts both ways, Magus. Thinking we're slaves of Satan and hellbound pretty much amounts to "inferior" in my book.

Biff the unclean · 07-12-2003, 02:34 PM

So those 14 NT quotes I posted on the last page that all say the rapture is penciled in to happen around 2000 years ago...should we just ignore them? Do they not mean what they say? Are they metaphors, allegories perhaps? Maybe wrong translations? They can't be that prophecy stuff that you love so much...because they didn't happen.

Could it possibly be that they are 14 lies?

Magus55 · 07-12-2003, 03:15 PM

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Originally posted by Biff the unclean
So those 14 NT quotes I posted on the last page that all say the rapture is penciled in to happen around 2000 years ago...should we just ignore them? Do they not mean what they say? Are they metaphors, allegories perhaps? Maybe wrong translations? They can't be that prophecy stuff that you love so much...because they didn't happen.

Could it possibly be that they are 14 lies?

Or could it possibly be that you are clueless when it comes to interpreting scripture? I think thats it. You sound like Mark9950 v2 .

winstonjen · 07-12-2003, 03:26 PM

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Originally posted by Magus55
Or could it possibly be that you are clueless when it comes to interpreting scripture? I think thats it. You sound like Mark9950 v2 .

Reason people don't respect you #3095 - ad hominem attacks when you run out of ideas. Since you're so smart, YOU interpret the scripture for us, OK?

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07-12-2003, 10:44 AM	#24
Queen of Swords Contributor Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Canada. Finally. Posts: 10,155	Originally posted by Magus55 as long as my arguments continue to have a Christian base behind them, there will always be insults and sarcastic remarks. Well, I'm glad you recognize your failing. That's the first step to solving the problem. The next step is an apology from you, followed by a promise to try not to do it again.

07-12-2003, 12:57 PM	#25
Biff the unclean Banned Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: an inaccessible island fortress Posts: 10,638	It is funny though that Magus is so concerned about time tables and not about floating in the air. 1Cr 15:52 says nothing about clouds and air. It says that the dead will be raised (yuk) and we will be changed. Doesn't mention what the change is though. But if you are going into the clouds to be with Jesus forever it probably means that you are going to start to inflate with gas. I hope it's helium. A lot of Xians are heavy smokers and if they filled up with hydrogen things could get messy. "Oh, the humanity!" After all "rapture of the deep" happens when you get too much nitrogen desolved in your blood. Plain ole "rapture" might be from all that helium. I wonder if when they are praising god, over and over and over and over and over and over and over...for eternity, if they will be doing it in those high squeaky helium voices?

07-12-2003, 01:24 PM	#26
//riot of disorder:: Regular Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: California Posts: 184	Um, Magus, have you ever considered maybe that the whole second coming thinger is sentimental, like that Jebus would come back in people's hearts? Anyway, here's a song for you. Ayreon- Intergalatic Space Crusaders Loner: We're on our way to a prison in space Our last flight, the final phase I was betrayed and now I've been caught As the brains of a massive fraud Idealist: I can't remember, am I insane? My mind is blank cos they emptied my brain I will return, I will be back I will unite us and we will attack Loner: I don't care about your plans and schemes Don't give a damn 'bout your righteous dreams All that I do, I do for myself I never cared for anyone else Idealist: We have to save them, we have to try We can't just watch while the innocent die Let's steal this ship and start our crusade Powerful allies will come to our aid Loner: Seven fighters Idealist: Navigators Crew: Intergalactic space crusaders Loner: Federation Idealist: Dictators Crew: No scruples, lethal traitors Loner: Outriders Idealist: Invaders Crew: Intergalactic space crusaders Loner: Domination Idealist: Liberators Crew: Fighting to survive Loner: Who on earth do you think that you are Without me you wouldn't get far I've had enough of your private war Why are we fighting, what is it all for? Idealist: To right the wrong, to fight the good fight Living like you just wouldn't be right I am the leader, I have the skills Either you leave or you yield to my will Loner: I can't believe you gave us away Although it hurts, I will make you pay Don't understand, can't figure out why All I know, you have to die! Idealist: Our strong bond couldn't keep us apart I've always trusted you right from the start You've been deceived, they're telling you lies I'm still the same, I'm on your side It was this or Jews in Space.

07-12-2003, 02:34 PM	#28
Biff the unclean Banned Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: an inaccessible island fortress Posts: 10,638	So those 14 NT quotes I posted on the last page that all say the rapture is penciled in to happen around 2000 years ago...should we just ignore them? Do they not mean what they say? Are they metaphors, allegories perhaps? Maybe wrong translations? They can't be that prophecy stuff that you love so much...because they didn't happen. Could it possibly be that they are 14 lies?

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