Amos

Mine is just opposite. The tugging is always provoked by an outsider and when you willingly respond to this call our spiritual hymen is broken and the sin agianst the HS is comitted.

If we "open ourselves" upon the call of others "to receive" we will be given a scoprion instead of a fish and that is why the "saved sinner" enters the mind of the now spiritually fornicated believer.

The above is based on Jn.1:13 where the distinction is made between "those born of God" and "those born of carnal desire."

Spaz

Aren't we all born of carnal desire? Without that there'd be no sex and without sex no us

Magus55

Blasphemy against the holy spirit is unbelief. When you are saved by Christ, you are filled with the Holy Spirit who convicts you of sin and guides you to do things of God.

If you don't believe in Jesus to save you, the Holy Spirit can't dwell within you, in which case you can't be forgiven. You have to be a believer to be forgiven, so if you blasphemy the HS ( that is, deny Jesus and not be dwelt with the HS), you can't be forgiven. If you become a sincere believer then you can be saved.

To put it simply, If you spend your entire life rejecting Jesus and God, you will never possess the Holy Spirit within you and can't be convicted of sin. Without the HS, you can't be forgiven. IOW, true Christians can't committ it, only unbelievers can.

Amos

Sorry, reborn of carnal desire instead of reborn of God.

We are reborn from carnal desire when we seek God and we are reborn of God when we run away from God and God just knock us for a loop as he did Paul, who was pursecuting Christians, and Jonah, who was also running awy from God (and many others).

davidH

An interesting thought for some of you on this thread.

How can you sincerely blaspheme against the Holy Spirit when you do not believe that he exists in the first place?
So how then can you be blaspheming?

Do you get what I am saying - you cannot blaspheme something that you do not believe in.

So, this is where you understand the seriousness of the sin - someone who knows that God exists - but turns his back on him and blasphemes against him. That person has truly rejected God - he knows God is there and that hell exists and that Jesus truly did die for him - yet he blasphemes, curses the Holy Spirit.

Maybe that will bring it out a bit more.

ie. You are blaspheming nothing because you believe there is no God - so if you blaspheme nothing, then you haven't blasphemed.

Makes sense. - So it is my guess that none of you on this thread are doomed, because you do not believe in Jesus/God/Holy Spirit - right?

Amos

Belief has nothing to do with it because we must be born again. Both believers and un-believers are cold and cold is OK.

To be "born again" is enter the race and to complete the race we must be born off a benevolent female which here is Mary.

If we are born again from carnal desire we are reborn from a malevolent female and will have the serpent (Eve) as our guide.

Magus55

Its blasphemy because you don't believe. You don't see that? You don't believe the Holy Spirit or God exists, therefore you are committing the sin of unbelief which is the Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit. God doesn't believe in Atheists, as much as you say you don't believe God exists and never have, he gave everyone the innate sense to search for a creator. Many people just choose to supress it. Sorry but when you stand before God at judgement, i doubt he will let you slide with the excuse " but i didn't believe in you"!

MrDarwin

We've been through this before. If I suddenly acquire a belief in God and truly repent, then my previous unbelief is forgiven (just as all my other sins are forgiven). So clearly unbelief isn't an "unforgivable" sin.

BTW the definition of blasphemy as "unbelief" is quite a new one on me.

lpetrich

Is this it:

You Holy Ghost, you are nothing but a spook!!!

Godbert

quick question:
all the other (forgivable) sins - are they forgiven automatically or do you have to do sth like pray for forgiveness to be forgiven for forgivable sins?