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Old 06-17-2003, 04:09 AM   #231
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(yguy): "...children are the central issue as far as I'm concerned."
(Fr Andrew): I hope your concern extends to gay children traumatized by a homophobic culture.
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Old 06-17-2003, 12:10 PM   #232
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And they're not asking for any either, just the same recognition as everyone else.

Maybe the question should be why a heterosexual couple should be entitled to special recognition?
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I'm sure the answer to that question will have something to do with "natural authority" or some such rot.

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The thread is about homosexual marriage. If that is somehow unrelated to traditional marriage, I fail to see why.
Of course it is unrelated to traditional marriage - at least in your eyes. Homosexual marriage doesn't usually produce offspring. Like I said before, take away the "think of the children!" blinders for a minute and then ask yourself the question "Is homosexuality really hurting anyone? Is it really hurting me?" If the answer is "no" (since there are no children involved) then why do you even care?
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Old 06-17-2003, 12:26 PM   #233
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They're already free to do as they please. They're just not entitled to any special recognition for those activities in law.
But in Canada, they are. The US is next to recognize them. Neener, neener. I'll be sure to send you an invitation. Maybe you'll catch the bouquet.
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Old 06-17-2003, 01:10 PM   #235
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John Manley, the first cabinet minister to leave the meeting, told reporters that he thinks it is time for the government to "recognize that there are people in our society of the same sex that make a commitment to each other to stay together for life.

"I think that represents a marriage and I think it's time ... for the government to recognize that."
Well said!
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Old 06-17-2003, 04:51 PM   #236
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Maybe the question should be why a heterosexual couple should be entitled to special recognition?
Let's do a little though experiment: let's make heterosexual sex illegal, and wait 150 years. What is America's population, excluding products of in vitro fertilization and immigration? Essentially zero. Now, let's ban homosexual sex, but leave heteros alone. What is America's population? The same as or greater than it was.

That's why heterosexual activity deserves special consideration. It is essential for the survival of the country. Homosexual activity is not.
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Old 06-17-2003, 04:55 PM   #237
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Of course it is unrelated to traditional marriage - at least in your eyes.
Actually, I implied that it WAS related.

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Homosexual marriage doesn't usually produce offspring. Like I said before, take away the "think of the children!" blinders for a minute and then ask yourself the question "Is homosexuality really hurting anyone? Is it really hurting me?" If the answer is "no" (since there are no children involved) then why do you even care?
Children are involved if they are raised by homosexual couples. They are also involved if, among other things, they witness homosexuals aping anal sex in "gay" pride parades.
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Old 06-17-2003, 04:57 PM   #238
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But in Canada, they are. The US is next to recognize them. Neener, neener. I'll be sure to send you an invitation. Maybe you'll catch the bouquet.
Thank you for so eloquently capturing the essential logic behind the argument for "gay marriage".
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Old 06-17-2003, 06:30 PM   #239
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Children are involved if they are raised by homosexual couples. They are also involved if, among other things, they witness homosexuals aping anal sex in "gay" pride parades.
Oh, RIGHT.

Since the homosexuals in your area participate in such actions, then ALL homosexuals everywhere must act this way.



Besides, I thought you said you didn't know any homosexuals, or have any contact with them. Don't you know that when you see something on TV, you're probably not seeing the whole picture? Or were you watching The Almighty Gawd channel again?

I am completely in awe of the fact that you know nothing about REAL LIFE PEOPLE that you're talking about, and yet you'll continue to make such disparaging comments about them as if you're an expert. I was raised in a Christian environment that tolerated child molestation, pedophila, and condoned statutory rape (they're called Baptists, people). Does that make me think that ALL Christians are such horrid people? Of course not - I, at least, have perspective.

Besides, you continually ignore my question: If children are not involved in a homosexual relationship, then what is the harm in it?
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That's why heterosexual activity deserves special consideration. It is essential for the survival of the country. Homosexual activity is not.
Wow, I'd be interested to learn about your political ideas. Do you really think America should make everything illegal that doesn't contribute to the greater good of the country? Well, let's go then, how about eating ice cream? And watching movies. And religion...! Oh wait, I'll bet you disagree there. Anyway, the point is, in America (we're just gonna talk about the country you live in), the idea is you have the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness, unless it infringes on someone else's right (to be very general), so making something illegal when it doesn't interfere with the aforementioned is actually kinda unconstitutional! Why would you want it to be the other way around?
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