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nogods4me · 03-08-2002, 07:43 AM

here, let me step in and help randman out a bit.
after exhaustive research over my 40+years I have found the following 5 items to be the most compelling, well reasoned and scientifically supportable arguements for a "Young Earth".
and I have many more where these came from

1. It's in the Bible
2. It's in the Bible
3. It's in the Bible
4. It's in the Bible
5. Mother Earth doesn't look a day over 6,000

what? you don't actually think there are defensible "YEC" arguements do you?
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Dr Rick · 03-08-2002, 08:50 AM

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Originally posted by randman:
This will have to wait till the weekend, and will have to go back to other thread if we are going to analyze where you guys have taken a straw-man argument, but take Gould's written complaint...

You're dodging the challenge, Randman: "Why don't you surf on over to the AiG website and pick out the one argument for a young-earth or for flood 'geology' that you think is their absolute "best." Then come back here and post a link so we can discuss the argument at length (as time permits). Let's see who is taking the straw-man approach, shall we?"

Post the best argument that you claim we've been avoiding. It's becoming quite clear that you're the one trying to avoid a straight-forward debate. You are the one resorting to strawman fallacies.

Dr.GH · 03-08-2002, 01:28 PM

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If you were content to teach evolution only to grad students, then I would agree, maybe I am out of my league, but since evolutionists want this stuff taught to 4th graders, and in soem forms even to kindergarterners, I think it is incumbent upon evolutionists to porve their points within a context of anyone with a 4th grade education, and if it can't be done, then we shouldn't be teaching stuff to people that they are incapable of determining on their own if it is right or not.

Well, then I guess that Randman must take his car to be repaired by 4th graders, and his medical bills must be very low as 4th graders work for cookies and very low wages.

Kevin Dorner · 03-08-2002, 05:51 PM

In <a href="http://iidb.org/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=58&t=000355" target="_blank">this thread</a> randman has stated: "BY the way, I choose what I respond to not you."

Something tells me this isn't going to be his "choice." Back to the top it goes again.

randman · 03-08-2002, 06:34 PM

<a href="http://www.answersingenesis.org/docs/456.asp" target="_blank">http://www.answersingenesis.org/docs/456.asp</a>
<a href="http://www.answersingenesis.org/Home/Area/Magazines/tj/docs/v8n2_punc_equilibrium.asp" target="_blank">http://www.answersingenesis.org/Home/Area/Magazines/tj/docs/v8n2_punc_equilibrium.asp</a>

randman · 03-08-2002, 06:37 PM

<a href="http://www.answersingenesis.org/Home/Area/Magazines/tj/v12n3_caves.asp" target="_blank">http://www.answersingenesis.org/Home/Area/Magazines/tj/v12n3_caves.asp</a>
<a href="http://www.answersingenesis.org/docs/1402.asp" target="_blank">http://www.answersingenesis.org/docs/1402.asp</a>
<a href="http://www.icr.org/research/sa/sa-r01.htm" target="_blank">http://www.icr.org/research/sa/sa-r01.htm</a>
<a href="http://www.icr.org/research/as/as-r01.htm" target="_blank">http://www.icr.org/research/as/as-r01.htm</a>
<a href="http://www.icr.org/pubs/imp/imp-307.htm" target="_blank">http://www.icr.org/pubs/imp/imp-307.htm</a>

randman · 03-08-2002, 06:42 PM

one more

<a href="http://www.trueorigin.org/therapsd.asp" target="_blank">http://www.trueorigin.org/therapsd.asp</a>

Valentine Pontifex · 03-08-2002, 08:10 PM

Gee, Randman is asked for a single best argument from AiG that he wished to defend, and he posts 8 URLs.

I think he is unclear on concept and insists on a "Gish Gallop."

notto · 03-08-2002, 08:12 PM

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Originally posted by randman:
<a href="http://www.answersingenesis.org/Home/Area/Magazines/tj/v12n3_caves.asp" target="_blank">http://www.answersingenesis.org/Home/Area/Magazines/tj/v12n3_caves.asp</a>
<a href="http://www.answersingenesis.org/docs/1402.asp" target="_blank">http://www.answersingenesis.org/docs/1402.asp</a>
<a href="http://www.icr.org/research/sa/sa-r01.htm" target="_blank">http://www.icr.org/research/sa/sa-r01.htm</a>
<a href="http://www.icr.org/research/as/as-r01.htm" target="_blank">http://www.icr.org/research/as/as-r01.htm</a>
<a href="http://www.icr.org/pubs/imp/imp-307.htm" target="_blank">http://www.icr.org/pubs/imp/imp-307.htm</a>

It would appear that all of these deal with the age of the earth. I thought that you were discussing evolution.

Valentine Pontifex · 03-08-2002, 08:20 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by notto:

It would appear that all of these deal with the age of the earth. I thought that you were discussing evolution.

And we can be that he does not understand the absolute contradiction between Gould's stasis and a six thousand year old Earth.

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03-08-2002, 07:43 AM	#21
nogods4me Contributor Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Baltimore, MD USA Posts: 17,432	here, let me step in and help randman out a bit. after exhaustive research over my 40+years I have found the following 5 items to be the most compelling, well reasoned and scientifically supportable arguements for a "Young Earth". and I have many more where these came from 1. It's in the Bible 2. It's in the Bible 3. It's in the Bible 4. It's in the Bible 5. Mother Earth doesn't look a day over 6,000 what? you don't actually think there are defensible "YEC" arguements do you? <img src="graemlins/banghead.gif" border="0" alt="[Bang Head]" />

03-08-2002, 05:51 PM	#24
Kevin Dorner Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Toronto, Ontario, Canada Posts: 762	In <a href="http://iidb.org/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=58&t=000355" target="_blank">this thread</a> randman has stated: "BY the way, I choose what I respond to not you." Something tells me this isn't going to be his "choice." Back to the top it goes again.

03-08-2002, 06:34 PM	#25
randman Regular Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 333	<a href="http://www.answersingenesis.org/docs/456.asp" target="_blank">http://www.answersingenesis.org/docs/456.asp</a> <a href="http://www.answersingenesis.org/Home/Area/Magazines/tj/docs/v8n2_punc_equilibrium.asp" target="_blank">http://www.answersingenesis.org/Home/Area/Magazines/tj/docs/v8n2_punc_equilibrium.asp</a>

03-08-2002, 06:37 PM	#26
randman Regular Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 333	<a href="http://www.answersingenesis.org/Home/Area/Magazines/tj/v12n3_caves.asp" target="_blank">http://www.answersingenesis.org/Home/Area/Magazines/tj/v12n3_caves.asp</a> <a href="http://www.answersingenesis.org/docs/1402.asp" target="_blank">http://www.answersingenesis.org/docs/1402.asp</a> <a href="http://www.icr.org/research/sa/sa-r01.htm" target="_blank">http://www.icr.org/research/sa/sa-r01.htm</a> <a href="http://www.icr.org/research/as/as-r01.htm" target="_blank">http://www.icr.org/research/as/as-r01.htm</a> <a href="http://www.icr.org/pubs/imp/imp-307.htm" target="_blank">http://www.icr.org/pubs/imp/imp-307.htm</a>

03-08-2002, 06:42 PM	#27
randman Regular Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 333	one more <a href="http://www.trueorigin.org/therapsd.asp" target="_blank">http://www.trueorigin.org/therapsd.asp</a>

03-08-2002, 08:10 PM	#28
Valentine Pontifex Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Orion Arm of the Milky Way Galaxy Posts: 3,092	Gee, Randman is asked for a single best argument from AiG that he wished to defend, and he posts 8 URLs. I think he is unclear on concept and insists on a "Gish Gallop."

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