Doubting Didymus

This thread is a totally different topic with every page, and sometimes every post.

... It is also older than my registration by five months!

Someone should at least agree what the topic of this thread is.

Happy Wonderer

The UBB stress test thread.

Duvenoy

It is the story without end, and thus it should remain.

I've read the whole $%@@*! thing and even participated in it, here and there. Sez I, leave it where it is as a monument to <img src="graemlins/banghead.gif" border="0" alt="[Bang Head]" /> .

Ya gotta love it.

doov

pz

No, I don't -- I cringe every time I see it pop up to the top of the list again after a long hiatus. It's just so amorphous, and the topic title is so vague and useless.

The content is inoffensive and mostly on-topic, though, so that there isn't much that could be done. I wonder, though, if the main participants wouldn't be willing to voluntarily abandon this thread and start up new one(s) with a better focus?

Duvenoy

Perhaps, if Ed can be convinced (Good luck!).

If so, I for one, will miss it. Even though I no longer juice my ulcer by participating in it, I enjoy the read. It's almost like one of those everlasting, shit-kicking serials we kids used to be addicted to in the late '40s, early '50s. What's gonna happen next? How will Hop-a-Long Cassidy get out of this one?

Evolution rules!! There, back on topic.



doov

Ed

I was referring to Christians, since we know that the Christian God exists, we know that it is not in error but our interpretations could be in error.


Yes, but if you look at the entire time period the bible covers (possibly 15 billion years) the number of miracles is relatively small. The bible does refer to orderly natural laws, read Gen. 8:22, Psalm 148, and Jeremiah 33:25 among others.


Pantheism believes that an intelligence, god, is a part of everything. Actually except for rare miracles that is similar to what biblical christianity teaches, read some of Isaac Newtons writings.


Primarily Protestantism, that is why experimental science truly flourished after the Reformation.


Hardly, belief in the biblical understanding of miracles does not equate to a chaotic and irrational world.

Because early on their primary duty was the growth of the church. They decided that once some societies were developed on biblical principles then there was time to make the society reflect those principles in other areas besides church growth and evangelism. But it wasnt really planned it just happened spontaneously among believers around Europe, especially once the scriptures were widely desiminated after the Reformation.


Evidence {}.


Actually by the time of Newton in England there was no longer much of that going on. But they had no problem with inquiring into pretty much anything in God's creation.


No, they are literal history but some of the terms are not as specific as a science text.

lpetrich

A rather strong claim; you may want to read the "Biblical Errancy" pages in this site's Library section.

Xian apologists are now trying to claim credit for something they had long looked down upon -- the importance of natural law. Can anyone say "all things to all people"?

Except that the Bible nowhere gives a coherent theory of the occurrence of miracles.

Except that improving science would have made possible improved technology -- and improved military and economic prowess.

One can prove anything one wants to by redefining words. For example, one could "prove" that the Bible demonstrates evolution with the help of appropriate word definitions.

Doubting Didymus

Lpetrich, how do you always get your response to ed in so quickly? Do you check back every 15 minutes to see if the kracken has resurfaced?

lpetrich

I think you mean the <a href="http://unmuseum.mus.pa.us/kraken.htm" target="_blank">kraken</a>. Which was clearly an exaggerated giant squid.

Cute idea -- His Eddianness as a monster from the deep...

But I'm a frequent visitor to E/C, which may be why I manage to answer His Eddianness so quickly.

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Doubting Didymus

That's the feller.

Actually, I was referring to the whole thread, this massive, bloated, limestone encrusted beast that keeps bubbling to the surface. It remids me of the poem, which may or may not have been Tennyson?

Below the thunders of the upper deep
Far, far beneath in the abysmal sea
His ancient, dreamless, uninvaded sleep
The Kraken sleepeth: faintest sunlights flee
About his shadowy sides; above him swell
Huge sponges of millennial growth and height
And far away into the sickly light
From many a wondrous and secret cell
Unnumber'd and enormous polypi
Winnow with giant arms the lumbering green.
There hath he lain for ages, and will lie
Battening upon huge sea-worms in his sleep
Until the latter fire shall heat the deep
Then once by man and angels to be seen
In roaring he shall rise and on the surface die.

I have an extremely odd memory. I can remember this poem by heart from secondary english (maybe seven years ago?), but I have never managed to memorise my multiplication tables.