David Conklin

Ditto.

Good, I'm glad you understand how difficult it is.

I wouldn't be foolish enough to expect all.

ROFL!

Only when the Greek is quite clear.

That should be an 's' and not a 'z'.

Again, I would not be foolish enough to say "all".

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David Conklin

How about posting what they say (you know cut and paste?) so we can all read what they said?

R.J.

David Conklin -- posted December 07, 2002 07:05 PM
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Originally posted by R.J.:
Here's another reply from:
&lt; <a href="http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Errors_In_The_Christian_Bible" target="_blank">http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Errors_In_The_Christian_Bible</a> &gt;
&lt; <a href="http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Errors_In_The_Christian_Bible/message/1219" target="_blank">http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Errors_In_The_Christian_Bible/message/1219</a> &gt;
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How about posting what they say (you know cut and paste?) so we can all read what they said?
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Since anybody can access the links, why should I take up extra space?? I was very careful when I posted all of the URL links in this thread to always leave a space between the URL & the "&lt;" & "&gt;" symbols!! Incidentally, if anybody ever tries to access a link that doesn't work, make sure that the "&gt;" symbol wasn't transferred with the URL -- If it has, simply delete it with your backspace key, & try again!! If I've posted any URL link in this thread that you haven't been able to access, tell me which one it is!! ALSO, remember that ANY site on the web might be temporarily unavailable!!

R.J.

R.J. -- posted November 30, 2002 11:59 AM
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DAVID CONKLIN, are you illiterate, or are you harassing us???? I posted your reply in my 1st post!!!!
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Incidently, DAVID CONKLIN is a Seventh-Day-Adventist!!!!

[ December 08, 2002: Message edited by: R.J. ]
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CX Moderator -- posted November 30, 2002 09:39 PM
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Originally posted by R.J.:
DAVID CONKLIN, are you illiterate, or are you harassing us???? I posted your reply in my 1st post!!!!
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Please try to refrain from ad hominem remarks in posts. Let's stick to the issues. Secondly, David's religious affiliation is really immaterial to the discussion as well. His arguments stand or fall on their own merits.

Thanks, CX - BC&A moderator
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I did NOT criticize him for his opinions, & I ONLY criticized him for replying to a post that he had NOT fully read! I think that it's relevant that he's a Seventh-Day-Adventist, because S.D.A.'s profess to have all of the truth, & they're also very judgemental of others.

David Conklin

I was raised in the SDA church after we left the Methodist church. However, I have never been taught that we possess all the truth (it doesn't help) and we most certainly are not "very judgemental of others". We frequently get sermons lecturing us that there will bemore outsiders in heaven than SDA's because they are living up to the light they know vs. too many SDA's who don't. You may have run into some extremists who haven't listened too well.

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David Conklin

Here's some web sites I just ran across that deal with Matt. 24:

<a href="http://www.richardajordan.com/exegete/matt24c.pdf" target="_blank">http://www.richardajordan.com/exegete/matt24c.pdf</a>
<a href="http://www.thingstocome.org/harmony.html" target="_blank">http://www.thingstocome.org/harmony.html</a>
<a href="http://www.lamblion.com/prophecy/issues/PI-06.html" target="_blank">http://www.lamblion.com/prophecy/issues/PI-06.html</a>
<a href="http://www.winn.com/creed/Matthew24.html" target="_blank">http://www.winn.com/creed/Matthew24.html</a>
<a href="http://www.forerunner.com/beast/X0003_Gentry_on_Matthew_24.html" target="_blank">http://www.forerunner.com/beast/X0003_Gentry_on_Matthew_24.html</a>
<a href="http://www.whyprophets.com/prophets/drift.htm" target="_blank">http://www.whyprophets.com/prophets/drift.htm</a>
<a href="http://www.bible.org/docs/about/matt24net.htm" target="_blank">http://www.bible.org/docs/about/matt24net.htm</a>

In his commentary on Matthew D. A. Carson (a very well-known and highly respected NT scholar) points out that the "history of the interpretation of this chapter is immensely complex". He also noted that it has "called forth more disagreement among interpreters". He cites two studies that might be helpful to those who are seeking to understand the history of interpretation of this chapter:

1) G. R. Beasley-Murray Jesus and the Future. (Macmillan, 1954)
2) David Wenham "Recent Study of Mark 13," TSF Bulletin 71 (Spr. 1975, & 72 (Summer 1975): 1-9

R.J.

David Conklin -- posted December 01, 2002 05:22 AM
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Originally posted by CX:
Please try to refrain from ad hominem remarks in posts. Let's stick to the issues. Secondly David's religious affiliation is really immaterial to the discussion as well. His arguments stand or fall on their own merits.
Thanks, CX - BC&A moderator
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Thank you for having good manners!
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David Conklin, make sure that you tell all of your S.D.A. friends about his "good manners", especially your friends on the SDANET forum like Ted Noel who said the following:

From Ted Noel Sat Nov 30 14:16:07 2002
From: "Ted Noel" &lt;tednoel@cfl.rr.com&gt;
To: "susan" &lt;susan172992@yahoo.com&gt;
Subject: Re: DAVID CONKLIN!!
Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2002 17:16:07 -0500
Susan,
Thanks for the heads-up. However, I do not plan to address the Internet Infidels forum, since the purpose of such forums is to impress the members with their erudition and the stupidity of Christians. No argument I present is likely to have any effect. The posts made are quite clear evidence of this. I will continue to study scripture to find ways to deal with difficult passages. And the Infidels will always be able to throw stones. The only effective rebuttal will come when Christ returns and they call for the rocks to fall on them.
Ted Noel

R.J.

DAVID CONKLIN, do you agree or disagree with John Noe's reply to Ted Noel??
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From John Noe Sat Nov 30 14:59:51 2002
Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2002 17:59:51 -0500
From: "John Noe" &lt;jnoe@prophecyrefi.org&gt;
To: "susan" &lt;susan172992@yahoo.com&gt;
CC: [Many members of SDANET]
Subject: Re: TED NOEL!!

From Ted Noel Sat Nov 30 14:16:07 2002
From: "Ted Noel" &lt;tednoel@cfl.rr.com&gt;
To: "susan" &lt;susan172992@yahoo.com&gt;
Subject: Re: DAVID CONKLIN!!
Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2002 17:16:07 -0500
Susan,
Thanks for the heads-up. However, I do not plan to address the Internet Infidels forum, since the purpose of such forums is to impress the members with their erudition and the stupidity of Christians. No argument I present is likely to have any effect. The posts made are quite clear evidence of this. I will continue to study scripture to find ways to deal with difficult passages. And the Infidels will always be able to throw stones. The only effective rebuttal will come when Christ returns and they call for the rocks to fall on them.
Ted Noel

"John Noe" &lt;jnoe@prophecyrefi.org&gt; wrote:
Ted,
Come on., Ted. What a cop-out!
JN

David Conklin

No, you seem to be exhibit A for Noel's argument.

NOGO

Let me see. What you are saying here is that Matthew 24 is wrongly translated by most Christian bibles despite the fact that the Greek version is quite clear.

So all these scholarly Christian translators deliberately mislead their flocks and give atheists ammunition against the only true faith.


Great!
You are finally right about something.
I guess you needed that.
It's yours. Enjoy it.