ex-robot

Million? They don't believe noah took all species. God called them to the boat!!!

xr

davidH

On the Noah flood, I think that many of you out there have just accepted what you have been taught, and haven't actually examined things yourselves. - You see immense historical events are often recorded in history - even if there is apparently no evidience for it, that doesn't mean it didn't happen.

I decided to do a bit of historical research and I found a number of surprising things. I just thought that this might interest a few of you if you have never come across these before;

1.At an excavation at Nineveh in 1853, in 2 ajoining high vaulted rooms a library was found - it contained 100,000 copies of clay tablets with history, culture, medicines, poems etc. It belonged to King Ashurbanipal.
A portion of the tablet was found that referred to a great Flood - (if you can find the link for this I would be really interested)
Anyway part of it said,

The rest of the Flood account carried many similarities to the Biblical account that many scholars saw that this account witnessed that such an account did happen.
Many other events that were recorded also came near the Biblical account.

This one piece of evidience to me showed that something did happen way back then. An account of that shows that the people of that time knew it was true - hence the reason why it was recorded.

2.ERECH - Some 575 tablets were found (Neo Babloyian empire) - 2 tablets again mentioned the floods. - are there any copies of the exact transelations of these on the internet?

3.Elba- in northwestern Syria lie a series of impressive mounds. These were excavated and one of the clay tablets had the canannite version of a great Flood. - I think all of it has been deciphered now but the source I have was written when it was half dediphered.
One other amazing thing was that it's creation story was closer to the Genesis account than anything before.
It was written in a 10 line poem some of it said;


Telba precedes early Israel by nearly 400-1000 years.

I am sure there are others but that's all for this time.

Why do you not accept what is written down in history? Is the reason just because you see no evidience for a global flood - we live in a changing world - Islands form quickly and yet seem millions of years old. Why will you not believe history?

I'm sure if you went to any creatationist website there would be many things for you to consider that show that there was a great flood.
That's just a thought for you.

Daggah

davidH, there were probably local floods in places. That doesn't mean there was a global flood. As people have already shown, a global flood would be an impossible event. There's NO evidence of a global flood. It's that simple. You're the one deceiving yourself.

Kosh

Pot! Kettle! Black!

This is a ridiculous assumption which merely
shows that you haven't been around here long
or paying much attention to the topics of
discussion.

So... let me ask you this. According to the Bible,
the only survivors of the flood were Noah and his
family. Specific people, who eventually gave rise
to all those that are now alive. In the Babylonian
flood myth, which is nearly identical to the
Genisis flood myth, how would you account for the
fact that the names of the people are different,
and that there were a different number of people?
Remember, you're pre-supposing that this is
further evidence of a single flood event.

Exactly. And just by chance, the early Jews
actually spent time living in these cultures
with similar myths. Why do you not think the
Jews simply borrowed those myths and adopted
them to suit their needs?

Incorrect.

theyeti

I can asure you that this is not the case. Now if you believe what creationists have told you, then you're just accepting what you've been taught. We have several people with geology degrees, and amature experts like ps418 who have examined the geological evidence in great detail. Patrick even has his own website debunking most creationist flood claims. It's not just a matter of there being no evidence for a flood, there's strong evidence against a flood. A global flood lasting an entire year would have left many tell-tale signs all around the globe. We do not see those signs. Either the flood didn't happen, or God arranged things to make it look like it didn't happen.

Probably one of the more obvious pieces of evidence against the flood myth is that some civilizations, like the Egyptians and Koreans, have historical records that go right through the purported dates of the flood. Kind of hard to write histories when you're being drowned by the wrath of God, isn't it?

theyeti

faded_Glory

David, apparently I am not one of the 'many' you refer to. I have studied geology, spend a cumulative time of several years in the field (literally) and have worked professionally for 20 years hands-on with subsurface geological and geophysical data. Did anyone here mention Glenn Morton? I am a colleague of his. He is right. There is nothing in the data that would remotely count as evidence for a recent worldwide flood, and there is much, so much, in the data that completely contradicts such an event- it just hasn't happened.

You have to find a way of reconciling your religious beliefs with that reality. It can be done - many of my colleagues harbour religious beliefs of one kind or another; Glenn Morton himself is an outspoken Christian. The problem isn't in the evidence - the problem is in your insistence that one can only be a Christian if you take Genesis literally. Why don't you go and talk to a pastor of a more enlightened church? You might be surprised about the depth of faith of some 'evolutionists'.

fG

Bait

Hey Oolon,
Did ya hear...you guys got a paradym going, a rethinking of the ol' evidence, a goof in the proof. I've heard they have found several hominids IN FORESTS, as well as other locations (recently) that are bipedal...perhaps as old or older than Lucy. Don't know all the evidences or story yet...but I'll be watching...heh, heh, heh...

Hey, go easy on David H....ok? I'm not touching this debate...just going to set back and watch the fireworks...

Bests,
Ron

lpetrich

Writing in Korea dates back to something like 500 - 600 CE; in China it dates back to something like 1500 BCE, with hints of even earlier writing.

So we don't have good written records in China at around 2200 BCE, when Noah's Flood would have occurred, let alone in nearby Korea or Japan.

But written records in Egypt and Mesopotamia go through that date without any trouble, and there is absolutely zero physical evidence for such a flood in tree rings, lake-bed sediments, or big glaciers.

Kosh

Not a problem. We'll be nicer to him than a
Catholic priest would be... doh!

RufusAtticus

Yeah, the plains theory is being (has been?) revaluated and probably is going to get scrapped.

Here is a recent paper on Human evolution, which discusses the theory.
Potts, R. "Environmental hypotheses of hominin evolution." Yearbook of Physical Anthropology 41:93-136 (1998).

-RvFvS