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Vorkosigan · 07-23-2003, 03:26 PM

Anyone noticed? This has not been posted to XTALK. Bwahahaha!

Can't wait to see how bad the damage is. I bet Israel loses a significant chunk of its heritage. According to the information I had, these guys have been at it since 1993.

Also, no news of Lemaire.....hmmm...

Vorkosigan

Toto · 07-23-2003, 03:33 PM

My mistake, godfry. The ossuary is genuine, the inscription was faked.

Lemaire is, I suspect, beyond the jurisdiction of the Israeli authorities and likely to remain so.

EstherRose · 07-23-2003, 03:40 PM

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Any true believers wanna take a stab at this?

By true believers I take it you mean Christians?

Relics have never meant anything to me, perhaps because I've always been aware of the countless forgeries made during the middle ages. The relics in Catholic churches has also never meant anything to me.

For those who believe in our Lord, no proof of this nature is needed. For those who don't believe, no proof will ever be enough.

Doctor X · 07-23-2003, 03:44 PM

Since no proof has ever been offered, I must recognize the rhetoric for what it is.

--J.D.

Jobar · 07-23-2003, 03:54 PM

I'm sure that Sauron meant true ossuary believers; however, the simple fact is that all of Christianity, up to and including the history of Jesus Christ in its entirety, could be forgery. After all, there's nothing connected with the Bible that could *not* be forged.

Kosh · 07-23-2003, 06:12 PM

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Originally posted by EstherRose

For those who believe in our Lord, no proof of this nature is needed. For those who don't believe, no proof will ever be enough.

And as we saw in this thread, you have NO PROOF or even RHETORIC at all!

Doctor X · 07-23-2003, 06:52 PM

I try very hard not to "flame" a poster who has not "flamed" me first--indeed, I never flame . . . I merely remonstrate in a fashion "measur'd in manner and speech." [Get on with it!--Ed.]

However, some time ago I had asked two posters to justify how they could rely upon texts of different ages and cultures--to quote from a "grab-bag," as it were, as if the components agreed with one another.

Thus far, one has responded. Though I may not agree with River's explanations I will give him credit for responding.

As for the other, I must confess it forces me to question her intellectual honesty.

--J.D.

Sauron · 07-23-2003, 10:28 PM

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Originally posted by Jobar
I'm sure that Sauron meant true ossuary believers;

Exactly. That dwindling group that still clings to the now discredited notion that this was the authentic ossuary of James, brother of Jesus.

Doctor X · 07-23-2003, 10:33 PM

Weeeellllll . . . have a little sympathy for those who jumped to conclusions--listened to the hype--and find their pride hurting.

Give them some time, the honest ones will retract.

--J.D.

Haran · 07-24-2003, 05:55 AM

'Bout time...

I'll be interested to hear what they have against him when it goes to trial. He's been arrested before, after all. I still doubt that Lemaire is in on any conspiracy. I think he just got caught up in what he saw to be an exciting new find. I could be wrong, though. We'll see.

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07-23-2003, 03:26 PM	#11
Vorkosigan Contributor Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Barrayar Posts: 11,866	Anyone noticed? This has not been posted to XTALK. Bwahahaha! Can't wait to see how bad the damage is. I bet Israel loses a significant chunk of its heritage. According to the information I had, these guys have been at it since 1993. Also, no news of Lemaire.....hmmm... Vorkosigan

07-23-2003, 03:33 PM	#12
Toto Contributor Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: Los Angeles area Posts: 40,549	My mistake, godfry. The ossuary is genuine, the inscription was faked. Lemaire is, I suspect, beyond the jurisdiction of the Israeli authorities and likely to remain so.

07-23-2003, 03:44 PM	#14
Doctor X Banned Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: USA Posts: 3,794	Since no proof has ever been offered, I must recognize the rhetoric for what it is. --J.D.

07-23-2003, 03:54 PM	#15
Jobar Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: secularcafe.org Posts: 9,525	I'm sure that Sauron meant true ossuary believers; however, the simple fact is that all of Christianity, up to and including the history of Jesus Christ in its entirety, could be forgery. After all, there's nothing connected with the Bible that could not be forged.

07-23-2003, 06:52 PM	#17
Doctor X Banned Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: USA Posts: 3,794	I try very hard not to "flame" a poster who has not "flamed" me first--indeed, I never flame . . . I merely remonstrate in a fashion "measur'd in manner and speech." [Get on with it!--Ed.] However, some time ago I had asked two posters to justify how they could rely upon texts of different ages and cultures--to quote from a "grab-bag," as it were, as if the components agreed with one another. Thus far, one has responded. Though I may not agree with River's explanations I will give him credit for responding. As for the other, I must confess it forces me to question her intellectual honesty. --J.D.

07-23-2003, 10:33 PM	#19
Doctor X Banned Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: USA Posts: 3,794	Weeeellllll . . . have a little sympathy for those who jumped to conclusions--listened to the hype--and find their pride hurting. Give them some time, the honest ones will retract. --J.D.

07-24-2003, 05:55 AM	#20
Haran Banned Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Dallas, Tx Posts: 1,490	'Bout time... I'll be interested to hear what they have against him when it goes to trial. He's been arrested before, after all. I still doubt that Lemaire is in on any conspiracy. I think he just got caught up in what he saw to be an exciting new find. I could be wrong, though. We'll see.

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