ju'iblex

i got lucky. we in australia are privelidged enough to have some kind of a decent sex education. (i speak about public schools, im unsure about the Australian Catholic Schools' stance on this).
School is the only real way i learnt about sex. i learnt that things i had learnt very little about, and been persuaded were evil were in fact normal.

i thank god (used in the figure of speech way only )that my school taught me that different sexual orientations are normal, because if they hadnt told me that, i would have been brought up by my parents as a very sexually repressed, dysfunctional little girl.

teaching children about sex (and thus in some peoples eyes, corrupting their innocence) far outways the mental and societal harms which abound from ignorance. i stand as proof of that.

lpetrich

However, I think that a good sex education ought to include some positive things, like mention of how masturbation is a guaranteed-safe sex act except for certain sorts of unusual circumstances.

In effect, if one wants absolute safety, one can have a Circle Jerk of a date.

dk

dk: Hey, the heading of the post is, “Lets be honest about sex”. You’ve just postulated people should be dishonest about sex, otherwise we’ll reproduce ourselves into oblivion.
dk: Hey you nailed me, I’m a Catholic.
dk: I haven’t dismissed sex but elevated in importance of human endeavor, you’re the one crying, “The sky is falling”.

99Percent

dk: Hey, the heading of the post is, “Lets be honest about sex”. You’ve just postulated people should be dishonest about sex, otherwise we’ll reproduce ourselves into oblivion.

Hmmm, I don't follow your logic here. How did I exactly postulated that people should be dishonest about sex?

I haven’t dismissed sex [as just a reproductive function] but elevated in importance of human endeavor...

Doesn't this statement contradicts this other statement of yours?: I assure you whatever other purpose human sexuality meets, its secondary to reproduction

dk

It submit you were indoctinated into a materialistic purient lifestyle by government schools. It's repression that causes STDs, sexual dysfunction, infedelity and family discord. For example Normal evokes a Bell Shaped statistical curve, so to describe homosexuality as normal (curve) is a misnomer.

dk

dk: Hey, I’m not usually this petty, I think you make a number of good points. But you start by saying “Normally in any other species”. No, in fact in all other species, except a few domesticated animals, sexual reproduction dominates life. There are even a few species where the female kills and eats their mate. Adult salmon make a heroic kamikaze journey to reproduce then die. Birds, insects and many reptiles make stupendous migrations from one end of the globe to the other to mate. Territorial mammals engage in disputes that risks life threatening injury. Human beings are the only species that spend fast sums of resources and energy to deny their reproductive natures.
[quote]99Percent: But it is strikingly obvious that sex has acquired a much larger dimension for human beings, otherwise we will reproduce each time we have an orgasm, as it is the norm in the animal kingdom.[/ quote]
dk: Women are fertile a few days a month, so biologically the statement is false.
dk: I don’t find existentialism nearly as hard to swallow as the rest of this statement. Catholicism teaches the Marital Act consummates the union of a man and woman as one, under God; and the family unit as the Domestic Church. In post modern secular societies the nuclear family has become increasingly dysfunctional under the dogmas of the Sexual Revolution, No-Fault Divorce, Radical Feminism, and Radical Empiricism. If youth suicide, domestic violence, drug abuse, sexual dysfunction, mental illness, youth violence and STDs continue on their unchecked rampage they pose an eminent threat to civilization. I see no evidence that government bureaucrats have solved any of these problems, though they seem quite adapt at building vast empires full of corruption, pomp and hubris.
Really, this criteria sounds a might bogus to me. Lets see how it suits a rapist. The great pleasure a rapist gets from sex is an indicator of individual success – their right living, whether they reproduce or not. I’m not a rapist, but its my understanding they find power and success very sexually arousing. It occurs to me that any sensual pleasure can become addictive when perverted against its natural purpose.

ju'iblex

please. what exactly are you trying to say? that because i went to an open-minded (reasonably) progressive school, that taught me to be gay?
Materialistic. im interested in your reasoning for this choice of words. in fact, just go ahead and explain the whole damn concept here, because im at a loss.


if normal isnt exactly your cup of tea then what word would you choose to describe it instead?

dk

dk: I derived my statement from your explanation. Forgive the liberty juiblex, but I will paraphrase your statements for clarity.
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“(1) I knew very little about sex until I went to school, where I was persuaded sex was normal not evil. (2) I thank god that my school taught me that different sexual orientations are normal. (3) If they hadn’t taught me that, I would have believed my parents and grew up a very sexually repressed, dysfunctional little girl.”
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<ol type="1">[*]I’m going to presume you and your parents are a family. Without personal knowledge of sex by the age of 6 you likely understood yourself as a member of your parent’s family, a child born with brothers and sisters of a family union. If your parents love you, then you are the fruit of their love so every fiber of your being is a testimony to the wonder of sex. At school you were taught the biology realities and mechanics of sex, and that your parent’s values and authority is unreliable. This is evident because you discarded your parents for the formal training supplied by your school.[*]At school you learned that sex was casual and promiscuous rather than marital and exclusive.[*]At school you learned that sexual experience was necessary to overcome sexual repression and dysfunction; despite overwhelming evidence that people who engage in promiscuous sex suffer intolerably from life infidelity, STDs and emotional dysfunction. Go figure, this doctrine is derived from Radical Empiricism (that all knowledge is experiential, so experience supersedes reason).[/list=a]
dk: Quite simply sex sells merchandise, and this is not only true of material goods but propaganda. Unscrupulous people will exploit vulnerable people by linking their “product” with sexual gratification and success. Youth are the most vulnerable people of any society so unscrupulous people especially target youth for sexual exploitation. As a society becomes more and more materialistic the marketplace becomes increasingly competitive, even predatory. Its just the nature of the beast, extreme consumerism is self consuming or nihilistic.
I like statistics, and the Normal Distribution is very useful to conclude statistical inference. However the reference to the Normal Distribution used here is misleading. The statistical significance of a normal curve places 95% of the sample space at 2 standard deviations. The remaining 5% are called tails, each tail with 2.5% of the population. Most statisticians say 2-3% of the general population is homosexual or homosexuals fit under 1 tail of the normal distribution. I would describe homosexual people by their individual character and conduct like everyone but I certainly wouldn’t lie and say they were normal. I think public schools betray the public trust when they lie to their students for political reasons, especially when they undermine parental authority. This is why its so difficult to be a good child and parent in modern times.

kctan

Quote from dk,
If the unchecked population bomb is left to its own devices, it will destroy civilization long before any of the above does. What's the RC stand upon this issue then ?

The RC likewise have not provided any evidence in solving this problem, instead its moronic stand upon the god issued creed to "go forth & multiply" is adding to this problem. Not only that, its also building for itself a vast corrupted, pompous & hubris empire for itself since the times of Constantine.

In so far as history has shown, the RC has caused nothing but sorrow, death, destruction, bigotry, intolerance, ignorance & countless other forms of atrocities all across the world.

The pope has been apologising for these "misdeeds" but can it really undo the harm that the RC had brought to the world ? & when can the RC really finish apologising for all these "misdeeds" it has done ?

Danielboy

by DK

I didn't know that.

I didn't know that.

I don't know of a single school that teaches its students to go forth and fuck everyone. Not even in Amsterdam.