York

york came here looking for opinions and reading material. i got plenty of that and dont really need to be saying much else.

i definitly think if there is a jewsish conspiracey or not i will be looking at jewish history. there is still today alot of anitsemitism so i just want to find out why.

maybe my definitions of words like nazi are wrong but i read the 25 points of the NSDAP and think they are pretty good.

http://www.hitler.org/writings/programme/

i thought this bit of info was interesting to since i never heard of it untill 2 days ago

quote:
1933: Jewish Declaration of War on Germany

The very first declaration of war which led up the Second World War was in fact made on 23 March 1933, when a meeting of Jewish leaders from around the world formally and publicly declared war on the Hitler government, which at that stage was only two months old and had passed none of its racial laws.
end quote:

i havent read much about socialism other then whats on these nazi sites but i think its a good system. the only problem i have with the nazis of years gone by was the killing of people. unfortunatly killing happens during wars and germanys hand may have been forced into that war.

thanks to all for the links and posting in this thread. my condolences and apologies to those who had family members die in WW2 and may have been offended.

RED DAVE

From york:

There is nothing naive about you, york. Your definitions are not wrong. You're a nazi. You have been playing this rope out. You're a hitler lover, a justifier of genocide and a disgrace to the human race.

RED DAVE

Tristan Scott

Read Why the Jews by Prager and Telushkin.

Godless Dave

The reason you never heard of it until 2 days ago is because it's complete bullshit.

But even if it were true, the fact that Hitler's government had not passed any of its racial laws was scarcely relevant, since Hitler had already outlined his plans in Mein Kampf.

Cicero

1. Think what you please. There will ALWAYS be Nazis...thank Gawd you're now just a radical fring hate-group.

2. Nice source. Could you have possibly find a MORE biased, lying, piece of gibberish to link to?

Just curious.

York

hello again :-)

my original question was " is the jewish religion evil?"

i accept this answer quoted from godless dave as satisfactory.


for holocaust information the link below gives both sides of the story. you can decide for yourself what you want.

http://www2.ca.nizkor.org/features/qar/qar00.html

last i heard zundel (of IHR) is in jail so he cant respond to this nizkor site which kinda sucks. a no holds barred battle of words would have been great :-)

Vorkosigan

York, on March 23, 1933, Hitler had the Enabling Act passed. This act gave him absolute power for a limited time to pass whatever legislation he needed. Hitler had the Reichstag torched, and then used that to get the law passed. For the March 23 session which passed the act giving Hitler the power he needed, all of the Communist deputies and 26 Socialist deputies were missing because they had been arrested or they fled the country. When the vote was taken, 441 deputies voted in favor of the Act and all of the Social Democrats present voted against it. Thus Hitler began his thrust for absolute power.

In other words, March 23, 1933 is not the day the Jews declared war on Hitler. It was the day Hitler killed democracy in Germany. Your "article" is lying.

Additionally, you have committed a historical error. Hitler began an immediate boycott of Jewish businesses, accompanied by a campaign of terror against Jewish businesses initiated by the SA and other Nazi thugs. As Goering noted on March 11, 1933, "I will ruthlessly set the police at work wherever harm is being done to the German people. But I refuse to make the police the guardians of Jewish department stores." In other words, anti-Jewish racial policy was already in motion.

As for Hitler being forced into war, that is another massive lie. Nobody wanted war in 1939, and the Powers did everything possible to avoid it, even selling out Czechoslovakia and Austria. WWII came because Hitler sought it as part of his long-term strategy of murdering Jews, grabbing dominion over the world, and eliminating "inferior" peoples. These goals are well known from his published speeches and writings, and from the millions of documents left over from Nazi Germany. Why you, who apparently admire Hitler very much, are not familiar with these basic facts is a mystery to me.

However, you might take a moment and show, assembling historical data such as economic figures, diplomatic and politic documents, interviews, speeches, and other valid historical material, how Hitler was "forced" to invade Poland, France, Russia and England and a dozen smaller countries.

Vorkosigan
Information drawn from This site

York

its like there are 2 dimensions surrounding hitler and his nazi empire. this is all pretty interesting.

Vorkosigan

York, please assemble an argument for showing that Hitler "may have been forced" to invade places like Denmark and Greece, as well as France and Russia. I would like to see your case for this.

Vorkosigan

Enai

FPY, you still haven't demonstrated that "The numbers don't add up".
I still want to know :

-Which numbers "don't add up"?
-What should they add up to?
-Why should I revise my knowledge of history, having actually seen with my own eyes the remains of KZ Dora, Bergen-Belsen and Auschwitz, having experienced the hatred against Germans because of Hitler and knowing about the vast historical documents from the Nuremberg trials?

Put up or shut up.
Enai