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Old 11-06-2002, 07:35 PM   #21
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I think another possible reason is that people around us, our friends and parents can be quite disappointing at times so like kids having imaginary friends, humans invent an imaginary figure who can be their perfect friend or parental figure

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<strong>Welcome, Icebrc- I think this will prove a long-lasting topic. This whole forum is related to your question, but I haven't seen it expressed in the precise way your title does.

I think we should consider the origins of religion. Imagine a group of primitive humans- they have only recently dreamed up the idea of a God. They do not understand the world they live in, really- they have words for things like lightning and seasons and eclipses and death, but no framework to offer some explanation. God offers them a way to organize the things they don't understand. It lets them group all the mysteries into one big mystery.

God also gives them power (actually the illusion of power) over their existence. They reach for God to get some control over the world they live in. And I think that is as true today as it was when the first speaking members of the genus Homo first created the concept of gods.

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Nicely said Jobar. I think you hit the nail on the head.
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The hypothesis that theism and/or religion were a Darwinian survival trait or survival advantage has much merit. I am an Atheist. But I know that worldwide I am only 20% of the world's population and only 5% over there in America. That must mean something. </strong>
A large percentage of the world's population is starving, has malaria, is HIV positive and is gay. It's too much of a selection effect to confuse the mode with the mean - the majority with "normal" (by which I mean a default state).

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<strong>In centuries past, such as the Middle Ages, Atheism was extremely rare as far as we know. Religion pervaded society
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Yes, but education was either non-existent, atrocious and/or religiously implemented. Religion was more political control and less belief. When societies stabilise, provide food and shelter for the majority of their populace and education for their children, the whole balance changes.

I'm not claiming that there isn't a genetic basis for religious belief, I'm simply warning that there are implicit selection effects to watch out for that could pollute the data set.
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Old 11-23-2002, 08:13 AM   #24
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I have a problem with the view of religions as necessarily exclusivist. That may be a familiar feature of Abrahamic religions, but it is rare among non-Abrahamic ones.

Simply consider New Agers -- they practically make a principle out of cafeteria theology, encouraging people to shop for the most satisfying belief system or practice or whatever.

Present-day Japanese and Taiwanese are also somewhat like that, often practicing more than one religion. Thanx, Vorkosigan, for your comments about Taiwan and religion. And even the "Western" world's history has not been all-exclusivist; non-exclusivism was typical of the Greco-Roman world.
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Old 11-23-2002, 10:49 PM   #25
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Atheism may represent a tiny minority, but I don't think that is grounds for pessimism.

First of all, most people really do not have any sense of God being involved in their life and they are not attached to sophisticated apologetical systems.

Secondly, only very recently has atheism become a legitimate topic of debate and discussion.

Thirdly, perhaps most important, atheism is over-represented in the higher academic world. The rate of atheism amgonst, say, scientists is many times higher than the general population. Atheism dominates psychology (for reasons we can all imagine). This is encouraging information. Education does make a difference.
 
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Why reach for "god"?
Well, the reason most fundi preachers seem to say is...
because they were strung out on drugs and booze!

A toast to the results of a clear thinking mind!

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I'm one of those easily controlled automatons hardwired to believe anything my genes have preprogrammed me to accept as reality.

I have faith in God because God gives me meaning. Without God there is no meaning regardless of what anyone says. Without meaning I'm already dead and this discussion is as futile now as it was when we were primordial soup.
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I'm one of those easily controlled automatons hardwired to believe anything my genes have preprogrammed me to accept as reality.
I definitely doubt that a belief in an unevidenced and disembodied mind was preprogrammed in your genes. If you had grown up on an island as the child of atheists, I'm quite sure your mind would have still remained in its default state: lack of belief in gods.
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I have faith in God because God gives me meaning.
I feel sorry for you that you feel the need to look for an exterior source for your meaning.
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Without God there is no meaning regardless of what anyone says.
I refute your claim by defining as the meaning of my life the intelligent debates on the internet. Thus a non-theist meaning exists: meaning is always meaning to someone.

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I thought most people reach for God because their parents, friends and relatives say so when they are very young.
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Why reach for god?

Kass:
Hm, recipe calls for one young goat, de-boned. Got it.

One small shallot, diced. Done.

One large roasting pan. Right here.

2 1/2 cups of God (any flavor, as long as it's Divine) Hm....gotta reach for the God...
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