Hedwig

So why couldn't god create us all like that?

Doctor X

winstonjen:

Bloody funny! What is the link to that?

The ceaseless apologetics reminds me of an old brother trying to solve a "problem" posed to him in religion class. The class took the advice of George Carlin and took "a basic sin and surrounded it with the most bizarre circumstances imaginable and end with 'Is it a sin den fadda?'"

We chose adultery.

That the apologetics contradict themselves never seems to disuade the apologist.

Thus, Junior's attempt to "get out of it" is not a yielding to temptation, apparently.

Thus, denying salvation to good men is not a sin.

Apparently, black is also white.

--J.D.

River

Magus 55,

The Reason Jesus Christ was "Sinless".....is because he didn't have to die for all those unworthy Sinners and thus he did not have to Represent them.

Mageth

Magus said:

Because Jesus was human and was able to be tempted just like us.

And then:

Jesus had no desire to give in to temptation - hence why He never did. Yes, i'd say His human side had the ability to sin, but His divinity made sure it never happened.

Huh? Then he was not able to be tempted "just like us". No desire to give in to temptation == no temptation, Magus.

Magus55

Um no it doesn't Mageth. I can tempt you with a cookie, but if you choose not to take the cookie and eat it, you are resisting temptation - just because you chose not to take the cookie doesn't mean you weren't tempted to. Jesus resisted all temptation placed before Him because He had no desire or reason to give in to that temptation and sin.

Magus55

Um, according to the Quran, not the Bible. I don't follow the Quran.

Magus55

Because that would require all of us to be divine.

Mageth

Originally posted by Magus55
Um no it doesn't Mageth.

Umm, yes it does, Magus.

I can tempt you with a cookie, but if you choose not to take the cookie and eat it, you are resisting temptation - just because you chose not to take the cookie doesn't mean you weren't tempted to.

But that's not what you're saying. You're saying I (or Jesus) would have no desire to eat the cookie (don't like cookies, I guess), and no reason to eat the cookie (full, or at least not starving). With no desire or reason, there would be no temptation to eat the cookie. The presence of a cookie doesn't equate to temptation to eat the cookie, any more than the presence of a dead rat equates to temptation to eat the dead rat.

Jesus resisted all temptation placed before Him because He had no desire or reason to give in to that temptation and sin.

If he had no desire or reason, then he was not tempted, and thus there was no temptation.

In any event, if, through his godly nature, he had no desire or reason to "eat the cookie", it is not true that "Jesus was human and was able to be tempted just like us" because, as humans we do have desires and reasons to give in to temptations, to eat the cookie, and thus Jesus was not able to be tempted "just like us." Jesus had no desire or reason to eat cookies, but I do; therefore, Jesus will not be tempted to eat cookies, but I will.

Demigawd

True, we can't all be Divine:

Mageth

No it wouldn't.