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CALDONIA · 07-25-2003, 03:56 PM

jesus. After reading donaldkilroy's posts, I must say I have yet to see anyone on II wed one's fairly well thought-out arguments with such juvenile and gratuitous ad hominems. I must assume that donaldkilroy doubts the merits of his arguments and seeks to give weight to his opinion by calling opponents "naive" and such.

BDS · 07-25-2003, 04:02 PM

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[i] But hey, if you want me to educate you on the finer points of logical fallacies I'd be happy to. Just let me know, k

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It appears, donald, that you will educate me about logical fallacies whether I want you to or not. At least, you provide plenty of examples of them in your posts.

Arken · 07-25-2003, 04:54 PM

For those who have only skimmed the rest of this thread and thus didn't read donald's posts, don't worry... most of them are superfluous and you can follow what's going on without them.

Iamthebeerking · 07-25-2003, 08:08 PM

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Wow, the amazing power of the eye roll. I'm in awe of your brilliance.

Sure, I just brought up a single point. But the fact is you've yet to produce a single shred of evidence of your general claim that Saddam and his sons were fundamentalist Muslims. Name one religious principle that they enforced upon their people, or one evidence of fundamentalism--hell, even a simple anecdote will do--from their person lives.

Ah semantics. The ability to evade a subject and it's facts based on the turn of a word or phrase. The allowance to to turn a subject from one thing in to another. Distractions from reality.

I'm not particularly accusing Mr. Zephyrus of this. I'm just observing the turn of words and phrases.

A solid example is given to us above; "Name one religous principle that they enforced upon their people..." That really belies the point of their vicious demise no? It seemingly ignores the fact that these two individuals do not deserve to exist in this plane any longer for reasons explained countless times.

I think that it's safe to say that the vast majority of people here believe in the value of human life. However, it's interesting to me how each of us goes about arguing that value. Our political persuasions sometimes prevents us from seeing simple truths. We stat with ideologies but many times seem to argue what we would like to believe rather than what is real.
So what, at this point is important to the people of Iraq in this matter? From everything that I've read from commondreams to the National Review to even the seedy LA Times that the Iraqi people are glad that these two evil versions of Abbot and Costello are no longer among us.

Some may question whether their demise is significant to the overall situation in Iraq right now. The real question though is if it's important 5 or 10 years from now.
If we approve of the war or not, the only moral thing to do is to genuinely hope for the best outcome possible for people of Iraq.

Once again, I do not mean to hold up to ridicule anyone's opinions in this thread. Both sides have been presented satisfactorily as far as I'm concerned and I believe it's important that it remain so.

Thanks.

Arken · 07-25-2003, 08:17 PM

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Originally posted by Iamthebeerking
The real question though is if it's important 5 or 10 years from now.

I don't think its importance is in question. Two major figures in recent Iraqi history have been killed (supposedly.) That is important no matter what and will have long-term effects... the question is whether or not it will be beneficial to the Iraqi people. I, for one, doubt it considering what damage they had done was already done and they could not do any more unless there was a drastic unforseen turnaround.

mark9950 · 07-25-2003, 09:12 PM

are not dead those pictures are wax dummies.

George bush is just trying to get us to forget about the british intelligence scam,you should know how politicians are.

Jinto · 07-25-2003, 09:26 PM

Yeah... those pictures did look rather fake. But not wax though... more like they got a couple of lookalikes and painted blood on them. Still, I've seen more realistic "dead" bodies in hollywood: I really don't see how this administration expects us to buy their story.

John Hancock · 07-25-2003, 10:04 PM

This thread is so damn ludicrous I believe I'm reading the ravings of bedlam residents. So what does the intelligence value of to enemies compare with the lives of those young men serving in the United Army Services?

Damn this is Halliburton's war and we should not be paying the cost for them and the Carlyle Group. That is not the fault of enlisted personnel. Bill Snedden says we should take them alive! Has he forgotten?

Hostile fire comes from a hooch - If you don't have the armour to put a bee hive in, your point man (always me) gotta put a satchel charge in Yellow men, women, or children! BETTER THEM THAN ME OR ANY HORSEMEN!

You've no conscience.

John Hancock
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Doctor X · 07-25-2003, 10:08 PM

Well if they can fake the moon landing. . . .

--J.D.

07-25-2003, 10:42 PM

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Well if they can fake the moon landing. . . .

Yes, because dust particles always move in a perfect parabolic arc on Earth, especially in the Nevada desert.

As for Saddam's sons...

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mark9950 Banned Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: midwest usa Posts: 1,203	Saddams sons are not dead those pictures are wax dummies. George bush is just trying to get us to forget about the british intelligence scam,you should know how politicians are.

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07-25-2003, 03:56 PM	#71
CALDONIA Regular Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Sunnyvale,CA Posts: 371	jesus. After reading donaldkilroy's posts, I must say I have yet to see anyone on II wed one's fairly well thought-out arguments with such juvenile and gratuitous ad hominems. I must assume that donaldkilroy doubts the merits of his arguments and seeks to give weight to his opinion by calling opponents "naive" and such.

07-25-2003, 04:54 PM	#73
Arken Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: North Hollywood, CA Posts: 6,303	For those who have only skimmed the rest of this thread and thus didn't read donald's posts, don't worry... most of them are superfluous and you can follow what's going on without them.

07-25-2003, 09:26 PM	#77
Jinto Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: SLC, UT Posts: 957	Yeah... those pictures did look rather fake. But not wax though... more like they got a couple of lookalikes and painted blood on them. Still, I've seen more realistic "dead" bodies in hollywood: I really don't see how this administration expects us to buy their story.

07-25-2003, 10:04 PM	#78
John Hancock Banned Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Mars Posts: 2,231	This thread is so damn ludicrous I believe I'm reading the ravings of bedlam residents. So what does the intelligence value of to enemies compare with the lives of those young men serving in the United Army Services? Damn this is Halliburton's war and we should not be paying the cost for them and the Carlyle Group. That is not the fault of enlisted personnel. Bill Snedden says we should take them alive! Has he forgotten? Hostile fire comes from a hooch - If you don't have the armour to put a bee hive in, your point man (always me) gotta put a satchel charge in Yellow men, women, or children! BETTER THEM THAN ME OR ANY HORSEMEN! You've no conscience. John Hancock __________________ "Fascism,should more properly be called corporatism, since it is the merger of state and corporate power." Mussolini

07-25-2003, 10:08 PM	#79
Doctor X Banned Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: USA Posts: 3,794	Well if they can fake the moon landing. . . . --J.D.

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