Amos

It is amazing to see how blind people must and insist that they learn from the blind. What is easier to accept then my idea of the dual identity? Nothing, but it is just like Plato said that those from within the Cave cannot stand to look into the light outside the Cave.

If only you knew how clear the bible is and how boldly it explains every detail with precision if read from outside the Cave. This already starts with the first passage in Gen.1 from where everything goes wrong.

You are also wrong that you do not have to be old to know. In fact, that would be wrong.

Amos

Koyaanisqatsi

Amos, allow me to respond in kind.

You are the blind; the bungled and the botched, desperately pretending that a duality existing in a myth is a duality existing in reality, where none does.

How easy it is for the childish to proclaim without merit, whatever simplistic, sophomoric interpretations they so desire from personal whim.

You are the child and the adult, declaring resolutely that your baseless authority is the reason "just because;" that the myth follows your interpretation and that anything less is folly; the fool calling the world foolish.

If only you could just see as we see then you'd know what we know and write what we write, but you can't so you don't, no, not you. For to you everything is a pointless mystery that answers all questions with more questions so that nothing is ever answered, merely declared!

Oh what a pathetic waste of time are your words and your thoughts so carefully chosen to say nothing in a fluourish of sophistry.

For it is just like Hitler said, "The bigger the lie, the more people will believe it."

Sell it walking.

Amos

The duality exists in your mind of which only one is real and you are not privy to it. That is the reality of the mystery explained.

diana

Originally posted by Amos:
From the bible diana. That what it reads according to dictionay definitions without preconceived ideas to the contrary. If it is the Amerian preachers that have led you astray do not first accept their position and later argue against it . . .

I was rather hoping you'd offer something constructive in your support, such as one of the scriptures I'm "misinterpreting" along with the concordance definition that fits each word in this instance and why you feel that idea fits better than the more commonly accepted ideas that you reject.

So far, you're tossing mere assertion into the air to see where it lands.

unless, of course, you have drank of the cup of Gods anger.

Oooo, Amos. I just love it when you talk dirty to me. Come hither, and whisper more stupid nothings in my ear.

d

Amos

But listen girl, if all the commentaries and preachers in the US combined can't make sense out of it for you, why would you want me to supply you with another one?

I take the words at their dictionary value's but not the combination of them. The parables are groups of conventional words used to describe non-conventional events. These events are real and so parables have meaning because they point at something that is real. I look at the reality and evaluate the wording of the parable to see how effective they describe the events.

You can do that to but you must first pretend that you do not know anything (which is always easy for me with friends like you around )

Amos

diana

Amose, ever-anxious to please, wrote: But listen girl, if all the commentaries and preachers in the US combined can't make sense out of it for you, why would you want me to supply you with another one?

I haven't consulted all the commentaries and preachers in the US combined. Hyperbole: know it, use it, abuse it.

Can't make sense out of it what? Another one what?

I take the words at their dictionary value's but not the combination of them.

I think I've found the problem.

The parables are groups of conventional words used to describe non-conventional events.

This is possibly the first thing I've ever read of yours that made sense without any qualification whatsoever, girl. Not that I agree, but at least I think I get what you're saying. If you make a habit of this, you might discover the Brave New World of communication with others. I'm not counting my chickens yet, though.

These events are real and so parables have meaning because they point at something that is real.

Some "non-conventional events" (Fallacy much abused by Amose: Vagueness) are real (Another Amose favorite: Assertion), so parables have meaning because they point at something that is real (non-sequitor, methinks).

I look at the reality and evaluate the wording of the parable to see how effective they describe the events.

Granted I've never met you (and with the grace of God and all that he holds holey, never will), but I'm willing to assert on the strength of your usual posts that you and reality haven't even bumped into one another for some time now.

It remains to be seen how you "evaluate the wording of the parable" and it's ludicrous for you to check to see how effectively any events we read of in the bible are described, since you have no alternate manuscript to consult for verification and you clearly weren't there yourself.

You can do that to but you must first pretend that you do not know anything

I can do that to what? Oh..."too." I'm beginning to understand why your mind has such a strange and exciting view of what you read, since you begin by convincing yourself that you know nothing.

(which is always easy for me with friends like you around)

I can see how you compare yourself with me and so easily convince yourself that you know nothing, but you really shouldn't demean yourself so. If you need demeaning, I'll take care of that for you.

d

IvanK

ROTFLMAO

Let's start a special Amos forum in which Amos can post all he wants. Volunteers will drop in from time to time to post replies like:

> Wha?

> Huh?

or

> Say what?

just to keep the nickels dropping and the inimitable Amosaic monologues flowing.

Maybe that would keep him so busy he wouldn't have time for the other boards.

Whaddya say, Amos?

diana

Originally posted by IvanK:
Let's start a special Amos forum in which Amos can post all he wants.

I think Amose just hasn't figured out yet that he's one of the reasons RR&P was established. Should we tell him, or do you think that might hurt his little feelers?

d

Koyaanisqatsi

You have the intellectual approach of a petulent five year old child and the reasoning capacity to match. Please do not post here anymore unless you have something cogent and supportable to add.

Childish poetic proclamations serve no purpose here, other than a pathetic and blatant redirection away from my OP. If you want to claim that there is some sort of "mysterious duality" existing in everyone's mind then prove it or otherwise demonstrate it's presence.

Pretending that you have some sort of authority to merely proclaim it only demonstrates your inability to establish a salient point.

How is this at all relevant to my OP?

No, they are not. Parables are short fictitious stories that illustrate a moral attitude or a religious principle.

No, they do not. Try reading that dictionary you mentioned before.

Then you are one of the most self-deluded individuals I've ever had the misfortune of addressing since there is no "reality" for you to look at (it's a collection of unsupported, ancient mythology) and parables are not utilized to describe actual events; they are used to impart specific morality or cult-oriented tenets.

Amos

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It seems different doesn't that I can read the entire bible as if it was a grade school story book. Just think, the whole world is trying to figure out what it means and here I came along and everybody says: Duh?

I'am having a ball Ivan.

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