bonduca

Why wouldn't they?


I think it is simply a case of finding day care so one can go back to work. What is stopping men from also being paid child care providers as well as women?

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snatchbalance

Bonduca,

Dosen't pay enough.

sb

bonduca

You see, it is all your fault.

Katey

Now you know why I'm not a *real* feminist. Those are traditional male traits. They're also part of what men excel at and the basis of family structure for...well..just about forever. Men didn't divorce their wives for "young things"(although admittedly women tended to die faster and men often took more wives). They didn't divorce them because that was their "wife" by-golly. While I don't particularly like being considered and "object" by a man, it IS an admitted part of the male psyche. It also is losing its hold and men are becoming weaker father/moral figures because of it. Men have become (what did I say on the other thread? something like...):
"Ugh, she pretty face, me make baby and run away, ugh".

.donors.

The Other Michael

Katey,

those traits look to me like holdovers from an earlier stage of evolution, and not necessarily such a good thing in a society that needs a higher degree of cooperation to make things happen.

IMO, the world could do with significantly fewer aggressive/domineering/territorial assholes.

And I fail to see how any of those traits make someone a good father.

cheers,
Michael

crab juice

Michael, exactly. I can't really feel sorry for men losing their status and power because, well, they've been at the top for so long. Of course there's going to be uncertainty and anger over losing an almost untouchable position of authority...look how hard the Xians are trying to hold on to theirs. It doesn't mean that this was either the correct or most beneficial position to hold.

But then, I am a "real" feminist. I believe that it should be just as acceptable for a woman to work in a high-powered corporate position as it is to be a stay-at-home mom, and everything in between. You can have children, or not...your choice. You can get married, or not, your choice. Take off your clothes for money...Nobody in the US should have a problem with that, since sex workers are the ultimate capitalists. I am tired of seeing people shamed into fitting gender sterotypes (You don't want kids? Must not be a REAL woman, or, Don't like sports? Must not be a REAL man). If I exist, I am real, and whatever I want IS what a REAL woman wants.

snatchbalance, I doubt many will take seriously statistics from a book called "The Decline of Males". I wouldn't consider it an unbiased source on the basis of the title alone. However, you believe in "inherent biological differences in temperament between males and females", and I think they are primarily socialized differences, so I doubt that there will be much we would agree on with this issue.

snatchbalance

Crab juice

1. You may want to take a look before you judge. It is well documented.

2. Testosterone is linked to agressive behavior. Men, on average, have more than women.

SB

The Other Michael

Snatchbalance,

I fail to see why men have to act more aggressively though To make a place in society you have to rein in the anti-social urges.

CrabJuice,

Sex workers are kind of difficult to alienate from the means of production, aren't they?

cheers,
Michael

Katey

A good parent is primarily defined by being there. Men without a territorial, or dominant instinct have no reason to stay and raise their children. They just donate and scamper off. Which is happening in greater and greater numbers. However, since you disagree with me, do you honestly think that the "new man" that is less agressive and more sensitive in our society is a better father? Even though he's become the great invisible dad in modern times?

Katey

Did you know that the male and female brain is even structured differently? Personally, I think we're heading for a kind of unisex society. Don't you think that sounds boring?