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Dear Disdainfully Albert, If you think there are no electrons, try to explain the physical world without referring to them. In the absence of your Nobel prize-winning effort, though, forgive me for regarding statements like the one quoted above as simpleminded crankery.

My advice -- you may not have any regard for it, of course -- would be either to blow raspberries at others' gaps in knowledge, or to parade your own ignorance. But doing both, as you've done here, is rather cringe-making.

Magus55

And where did those atoms come from?

Coragyps

From seething hot somethings - physics hasn't attained those energies yet to say what - that cooled enough to condense to quarks, which cooled enough to combine to protons, etc, which finally cooled enough to combine with electrons. We see that last event: it's called the cosmic background radiation.

Magus55

So the seething hot somethings aren't composed of atoms (matter) ? And where did the seething hot somethings come from?

ex-xian

No, these extremely high energies are what made the stuff of that makes up atoms. And where did it come from? Probably from a quantum singularity.

Albert Cipriani

Ex-Xian says:
When will you guys learn that attaching a word to an unknown does not make it known?! This is what us dumbbell Christians supposedly do. It’s supposed to be our trademark modus operandi so cease and desist from using it or we’ll sick the sick ACLU after you!

Just as music requires a tonic chord of resolution, meaning requires God. Ultimately nothing can mean anything if everything does not come from a meaningful, personal God. – Sincerely, Albert the Traditional Catholic

scombrid

OK. But I don't think they'd want it as it's been converted. All the stuff that made up that ham sandwish still exists in a retrievable state though.



Jeez Louise. I know you're joking but at least get it straight. The ACLU doesn't handle copyright and trademark infringement. They handle CIVIL LIBERTIES (at least I think that's what the CL part is for) infringements. My mother made the same mistake the other week when ranting that the high car insurance rates were because of the ACLU and all their frivolous lawsuits.

What forum am I in again?

Oh yeah this thread was looking at flood timelines. Marsupials survived the flood. They were on Satan's ark.

Albert Cipriani

Scombird,
Haven't you heard? After all their success in seperation of Church and State issues, the ACLU is now going after separation of Church and Church issues. Ergo, religions that preach against homosexuality are actually engaged in homophobic hate crimes.

That's just one step away from them taking on atheism as a sort of anti-religion religion whereby the "patently" absurd M.O.'s of Christians may qualify for tradmark protection against atheistic usage. Cheers, Albert the Traditional Catholic

Magus55

Um, thats circular. I asked you where do atoms come from, you said they come from hot seething things, so i ask where the hot seething things come from, you say the same thing atoms are made from. Well then wth made the thing atoms are made from?

And then of course, where did the quantum singularity come from, and what made it stop being a singularity and turn into an expanding universe?

Coragyps

Energy and matter are ultimately, somehow, the same. The "hot seething somethings" were just the first things to cross whatever boundary there is - you'd have to ask a particle physicist - between the two. And as to where the quantum singularity came from, the only answer that I am aware of from an honest scientist is "I don't know." And before you gripe about that answer, remember that is is the identical answer that was given to "What makes the Sun shine?" up until about a century ago.