malookiemaloo

Sorry no time to respond to Iron Monkey in detail although his post is good-for a non theist(!).

Lazarus died again whereas Jesus cannot die again.

Jesus could materialise and disappear at will.

At the final resurrection Lazarus will have a perfect body. Jesus will not as He will bear the marks of redemption for ever.

THat's all I can think of at the moment.


m

Ted Hoffman

Explain
Irrelevant. They both resurrected.
The concept of resurrection does not address what happens after resurrecting. Some some ask for food, some disappear and some show others their wounds. It all depends on personal taste and the writers agenda (moral of the story) in resurrecting a subject.
But even then, we have Elijah and Moses who ascended too (the transfiguration) so whats special about Jesus resurrection?
That he resurrected naked and got clothes from heaven?
I bet his body shone in the dark too. When could he vanish at will: pre or post-resurrection?
Verses?
Fallacy of missing arguments and failure to elucidate. What is a perfect body? Perfect for what?
I can assure you its not much.

Tabula_rasa

This thread has gone predictably quiet. Magus, if you have a rebuttal, please present it. You have left numerous questions unanswered.

Tabula_rasa

Mageth

I'd at least like to see Magus answer some of the questions. Here's one of mine, sparked by Magus' posts earlier in the thread, where he seems a bit confused on the subject:

Magus, are you a Trinitarian or a monotheist? On this thread you're sounding more monotheistic. If you're not a monotheist, you need to rework your language and concepts.

Magus55

I am a Trinitarian and Monotheistic. I believe in One true God in 3 forms. Why?

Mageth

I am a Trinitarian and Monotheistic. I believe in One true God in 3 forms. Why?

Well, I didn't get my terms right, but what I intended to ask was whether or not you believed in the Trinity. Instead of Monotheistic, I should have asked if you were Trinitarian or Unitarian (both are monotheistic). Not "Unitarian" as in the Unitarian church, but unitarian as in a belief that god is one, not three-in-one, a "heresy" in the early church. Some Xian denominations around today are unitarian, claiming there is only one god, denying the doctrine of the trinity, and thus not accepting the "three in one" bit. Your earlier posts on this thread sounded like you might hold a similar unitarian belief (e.g. that Jesus lifted himself up into heaven). And thus, I think you may need to work a bit on your Trinitarian theology and terminology. Just my opinion.

For example, classical Trinitarianism would perhaps say "three persons in one god" or "god in three persons", not "One true God in 3 forms."

Hawkingfan

Originally posted by Magus55
"Jesus died on the cross because only the perfect sacrifice could wipe away the sins of humans. Since no Human on earth's blood is perfect enough to wash away sins. God came to earth to do it because He was perfect enough.

Had God not come to earth to pay for our sins, we would all be headed for Hell with no hope whatsoever, because by God's own nature of righteousness, he HAS to punish those who sin, and nothing we do can ever bring us up the standards of God's holiness. Thats what Jesus was for. By being in the flesh he lowered himself to God and could walk among sinners. By being God, he was perfectly Holy and his flesh and blood could pay for our sins."

In reply, Gooch's dad writes:
"Magus, think about what you're saying. You seriously believe in a God who needs a blood sacrifice in order to forgive sins? What is so special about plasma and red blood cells? Hmmm?

Step back and think about what you're saying for a sec, ok? A blood sacrifice. Can you even vaguely understand how barbaric and primitive that sounds?"

Are you going to answer this Magus55? Why does god require death and bloodshed in order to forgive? Is that what you require in order to forgive someone?

jmborr

Originally posted by Hawkingfan
And why is life so important? Of course, for atheists this is the supreme possesion. But for the christian it is not. Reconciliation with God is the suppreme "possesion".
And at the end you will die, so you atheists are holding on to something you have lost since the day you were born. This is nonsense to me !

Hawkingfan

You can't be serious. But if you are, life is very important because once you die, that's it. It disgusts me to hear you say that since Christians do not have a high regard for human life, it is all right to go around killing innocent animals and people in order to appease their sick, bloodcraving god. THAT is nonsense!

jmborr

So you ran the bulldozer over my post

I do have a high regard for human life. What I'm saying is that as a christian, I do not consider it the most valuable possesion.

It is not in my right to take human life. I did not say otherwise and I am sorry if I was misunderstood. To me, only God can take life on its own accord.

Now the danger comes if I say that I am speaking on behalf of God, and that I command you to kill somebody. Those guys are to be despised. The O.T is full of them, I have to admit.

Regarding the animals, I am not vegetarian, but neither a glutton.

Isn't it sad to cling so hard to something you are bound to loose?