miss djax

but there are some erroneous assumption dk makes the whole way thru this thread. as someone who as worked at an aso, or aids service organization, let me shed some lite

1. msm are not gay or bi self-identified...hence the term, MEN WHO HAVE SEX WITH MEN instead of gay or even bi. these men gather in pse, or public sex environments. almost exclusively, they are married, or at least serially monogamous. they are least likely to recieve any safer sex messages of any demographic group because of this.

2. if you really give a shit about new cases of hiv, then why don't you take a look at the 3 demo's whos numbers are increasing more rapidly than gay men : teenagers, women, and senior citizens.


your reluctance to even acknowledge lesbians only shows your bias. and, statiscally speaking, lesbians are least likely of any demographic to sero-convert or contract any std......


miss djax

winstonjen

I'm not advocating what they do - I'm just pointing out an example of the hatred and social repercussion that goes on.

miss djax

im lousy at the quote function...but here's what dk said :


I think all medical and government people agree the hiv virus exists, cause AIDs and is spread by
a) intimate contact by through an exchange of bodily fluids
b) contact with contaminated blood products or instruments
c) mother to child.



lets get our facts straight, and use the real words. there are 4 fluids that can transmit hiv :

1) male ejaculate
2) vaginal secretions
3) breast milk
4) blood


hiv as a virus does not live for very long outside of the body, nor on instruments. it is also easily killed by simple soap and water. not the most rugged of the virii out there...

dr rick, you're a dr....can you help here with the med stuff? i just found this thread and dk's wacky

miss djax


it is possible for an hiv negative child to be born to a positive mother. and there is a way to 'wash' sperm to rid it of the hiv virus making in vitero fertilization possible.

miss djax

i have 2 words for you, dj :

matthew shepherd

Fr.Andrew

(Fr Andrew): A veritable cornucopia of cowflop.
What, pray tell, is "Black Crime". Or "Hispanic Crime"?
If a black man or woman is attacked because he or she is black--or an Hispanic man or woman because they're Hispanic--if a man is attacked because he is a man (oh, that happens all the time )--or if a homosexual is attacked because he's homosexual, it's a hate crime.

Violence against gays occurs not because the targets are black or Hispanic or Caucasion or male--but because they're homosexual.

keyser_soze

You have no idea how low the probability that he will even address his own points, let alone yours...

Don't worry though, he will either repeat the same baseless assertions, fallacious arguments, etc...in this thread again soon, or he'll move to another thread to spam in...

dk

I'm sorry to report this, so don't shoot the messenger

"As you know, there has been much discussion over the past decades about the reason for this disparity. For example, data from our Bureau of Justice Statistics – or BJS – show that 94 percent of black homicide victims were killed by other blacks. Moreover, we know that African-Americans make up a higher percentage of prison inmates than either whites or Hispanics. Last year, BJS data show, black inmates represented 46 percent of the prison population, compared to 36 percent for white inmates, and 16 percent for Hispanic inmates."
Remarks for Deputy Attorney General
Larry D. Thompson
Congressional Black Caucus
Friday, 9/28/2001

dk

Sorry to report, and don't shoot the messenger...

"Young Gay Men at Risk
Young gay men in the United States currently become infected with HIV at a rate of 4 percent a year. At that rate, half of all gay men who are now 18 years old will be HIV positive by the time they are 30." - Harvard AIDS Institute

Dr Rick

Sorry to report, and don't keep shooting yourself in the foot:

36.1 million persons worldwide are infected with HIV; an additional 21.8 million have died; and 13.2 million children have become "AIDS orphans," having lost their mother or both parents to the disease. More than 14,000 new infections occur daily — 5.3 million in 2000 alone, including 600,000 in children younger than 15 years old. Approximately 70 percent of cases occur in sub-Saharan Africa, where, in some regions, the seroprevalence of HIV among adults exceeds 25 percent. The Caribbean, Southeast Asia, and eastern Europe are also struggling with substantial rates of new infection.

In these areas, AIDS has evolved into two distinct epidemics: a horizontal epidemic in adults, spread by heterosexual contact or shared needles, and a vertical epidemic in which infected mothers give birth to infected children. These numbers far exceed the number of HIV cases transmitted by homosexual sex.

If AIDS somehow reflects upon the ethics of homosexuality, it has even more impact on the morality of heterosexual sex and childbirth.

Fr.Andrew

(Fr Andrew): No reason to shoot the messenger when his message is so irrelevant to the discussion.
Nothing in the report you cited goes toward substantiating your assertion that "If gays suffer disproportionately from violent crime, its likely because they are men, not gay."

When you have something to indicate that gay men are attacked "because they are men, not gay"--or black men are attacked by other blacks because they're black--get back to me.