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Detached9 · 06-18-2002, 11:36 AM

the rejection of Nymphs, Bigfoot, Fairies, and Leprechauns

Nymphs, bigfoot, fairies, and leprechauns are defined in such a way that they can be disproven, some definitions of God on the other hand aren't.

A definition explains the nature of something, whereas if it were to exist, that would be it's nature. If bigfoot is defined in such a way that it can be empirically tested, then bigfoot's existence can be disproven. I don't know if God is a rational, irrational, or nonrational issue and hence can't disprove God's existence.

[ June 18, 2002: Message edited by: Detached9 ]

Jayhawker Soule · 06-18-2002, 11:47 AM

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Originally posted by Detached9:
the rejection of Nymphs, Bigfoot, Fairies, and Leprechauns

Nymphs, bigfoot, fairies, and leprechauns are defined in such a way that they can be disproven, some definitions of God on the other hand aren't.

Finally! Please disprove Fairies.

Detached9 · 06-18-2002, 11:54 AM

disprove Fairies.

Actually, I can't disprove fairies. They are not empirically verifiable. You can disprove bigfoot, santa claus, leprechauns, and such though.

Jayhawker Soule · 06-18-2002, 12:24 PM

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Originally posted by Detached9:
disprove Fairies.

Actually, I can't disprove fairies. They are not empirically verifiable. You can disprove bigfoot, santa claus, leprechauns, and such though.

Outstanding. Disprove leprechauns. No, wait, lets start with the 'easier' one: please disprove bigfoot.

06-18-2002, 12:31 PM

Pseudo, assuming gender is logical, because if you don't know whether someone is male or female it is only correct to use male.

Strong atheism is not illogical because strong atheists HAVE NOTHING TO PROVE. Lack of God belief, strong or not isn't something to prove. Similarly, concluding lephrechauns don't exist is equally logical.

In fact, your saying strong atheism is illogical is a logic fallacy in and of itself. Strong atheists aren't out to say God exists, so its not their perogative to do so.

Detached9 · 06-18-2002, 03:06 PM

Strong atheism is not illogical because strong atheists HAVE NOTHING TO PROVE

Strong atheists have something to disprove instead. If someone claims to have proof or disproof of a proposition, they are making a positive assertion. Claiming that God doesn't exist (positive/strong atheists) is claiming that God has been disproven, not that God is unproven at this time.

Detached9 · 06-18-2002, 03:08 PM

disprove bigfoot.

What type of environment does bigfoot live in? Where can bigfoot be found? What characteristics does bigfoot have? Search the area, see if you find bigfoot.

I think it would be easier to disprove Santa Claus' existence. Santa Claus lives at the North Pole right? Well, explore the North Pole.

Jayhawker Soule · 06-18-2002, 04:30 PM

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Originally posted by Detached9:
disprove bigfoot.

What type of environment does bigfoot live in? Where can bigfoot be found? What characteristics does bigfoot have? Search the area, see if you find bigfoot.

(1) It varies. (2) I don't know. (3) S/he's big, hairy, and wild. (4) People have, but they haven't found her/him yet.

Thanks for asking. Now, disprove bigfoot.

Detached9 · 06-18-2002, 04:33 PM

If I don't know precisely what characteristic bigfoot would have if he existed, how can I possibly disprove bigfoot?

I noticed you dared not comment on my disproof of Santa Claus' existence.

AtlanticCitySlave · 06-18-2002, 04:52 PM

Bigfoot is, generally, a hairy, human like creature/being thought to exist in the NW United States and Canada, thought to be between 6 and 15 feet tall. One can't give a precise definition, since obviously the characteristics are different, much like they are for human beings.

Even if we could give a precise account of just what exactly bigfoot is, you would still not be able to disprove it's existence, since there would always be room for doubt (the same goes with santa clause).

06-18-2002, 11:36 AM	#71
Detached9 Regular Member Join Date: Mar 2001 Posts: 341	the rejection of Nymphs, Bigfoot, Fairies, and Leprechauns Nymphs, bigfoot, fairies, and leprechauns are defined in such a way that they can be disproven, some definitions of God on the other hand aren't. A definition explains the nature of something, whereas if it were to exist, that would be it's nature. If bigfoot is defined in such a way that it can be empirically tested, then bigfoot's existence can be disproven. I don't know if God is a rational, irrational, or nonrational issue and hence can't disprove God's existence. [ June 18, 2002: Message edited by: Detached9 ]</p>

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06-18-2002, 11:54 AM	#73
Detached9 Regular Member Join Date: Mar 2001 Posts: 341	disprove Fairies. Actually, I can't disprove fairies. They are not empirically verifiable. You can disprove bigfoot, santa claus, leprechauns, and such though.

06-18-2002, 12:31 PM	#75
himynameisPwn Guest Posts: n/a	Pseudo, assuming gender is logical, because if you don't know whether someone is male or female it is only correct to use male. Strong atheism is not illogical because strong atheists HAVE NOTHING TO PROVE. Lack of God belief, strong or not isn't something to prove. Similarly, concluding lephrechauns don't exist is equally logical. In fact, your saying strong atheism is illogical is a logic fallacy in and of itself. Strong atheists aren't out to say God exists, so its not their perogative to do so.

06-18-2002, 03:06 PM	#76
Detached9 Regular Member Join Date: Mar 2001 Posts: 341	Strong atheism is not illogical because strong atheists HAVE NOTHING TO PROVE Strong atheists have something to disprove instead. If someone claims to have proof or disproof of a proposition, they are making a positive assertion. Claiming that God doesn't exist (positive/strong atheists) is claiming that God has been disproven, not that God is unproven at this time.

06-18-2002, 03:08 PM	#77
Detached9 Regular Member Join Date: Mar 2001 Posts: 341	disprove bigfoot. What type of environment does bigfoot live in? Where can bigfoot be found? What characteristics does bigfoot have? Search the area, see if you find bigfoot. I think it would be easier to disprove Santa Claus' existence. Santa Claus lives at the North Pole right? Well, explore the North Pole.

06-18-2002, 04:33 PM	#79
Detached9 Regular Member Join Date: Mar 2001 Posts: 341	If I don't know precisely what characteristic bigfoot would have if he existed, how can I possibly disprove bigfoot? I noticed you dared not comment on my disproof of Santa Claus' existence.

06-18-2002, 04:52 PM	#80
AtlanticCitySlave Banned Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: New Jersey Posts: 251	Bigfoot is, generally, a hairy, human like creature/being thought to exist in the NW United States and Canada, thought to be between 6 and 15 feet tall. One can't give a precise definition, since obviously the characteristics are different, much like they are for human beings. Even if we could give a precise account of just what exactly bigfoot is, you would still not be able to disprove it's existence, since there would always be room for doubt (the same goes with santa clause).

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