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Old 07-18-2003, 07:33 AM   #1
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Thumbs down Dealing with dissent... (and "Dead Men Tell No Tales")

Since i don't see it anywhere else here, i offer the link and invite speculation as to whether or not this is just a coincidence.

Body "matches" Iraq Expert.

Edit: Here's the first few lines for an inkling of what has happened:

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Police searching for the weapons expert suggested as the possible source for a BBC story on Iraq say the body they have found matches Dr David Kelly's appearance.

The government says an independent judicial inquiry will be held into the circumstances of his death if the body is confirmed to be that of Dr Kelly.
{Edited to merge with the "Dead Men Tell No Tales" thread.}
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Nobody is saying anything enlightening at the moment. Until the autopsy report comes out, I would withhold judgment. It could be a coincidence (heart attack, etc.; the guy was 59 and looked old). It could be suicide (he was apparently under stress; although it does not appear that anybody was doing anything particularly bad to him). Or, it could be more nefarious than any of us imagine......

But until you at least get an official cause of death, you have no basis for any speculation whatsoever.

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Wow, it must be a coincidence.




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Police searching for missing UK official David Kelly, accused of being the "mole" in the Iraq weapons of mass destruction dossier row, have found a body they say matches his description.
Story here.
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But until you at least get an official cause of death, you have no basis for any speculation whatsoever.
Of course, even if the official cause is revealed to be some sort of natural death, plenty of people won't believe it anyway.
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But until you at least get an official cause of death, you have no basis for any speculation whatsoever.
Wrong. Kelly was "broken by events", according to Wintour in the Guardian, while in more commentary Barnett deplores the government's actions. The cause of death has no bearing whatsoever on this example of how the British government copes with critique.

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Wrong. Kelly was "broken by events", according to Wintour in the Guardian, while in more commentary Barnett deplores the government's actions. The cause of death has no bearing whatsoever on this example of how the British government copes with critique.
I might give that more credance if Kelly was found dead before he testified to the MPs. By the time he showed his face in public, he had been through days of interviews and preparation by various government offices and officials. That is just how the system works.

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Body found matches Kelly's description

You know folks, this is getting strange. And while a murder such as the recent one that ruined Gary Condit's career was independant of Condit, I find it hard to believe someone under so much light could have been killed by just some stranger.
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I am going to have to agree with Bill. I think there are thousands of ways to die, and not all are nefarious. Until we know how he died, we can't make any judgement calls.

If you must conjecture though, and you want to examine the possiblity of Mr. Kelly dying via a cover-up conspiracy, we don't know enough of the information needed to tell who might be responsible for Mr. Kelly's untimely demise. It could be just about anyone on the coalition side, or on the Iraqi loyalist side.
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How awful. His face was the last thing I saw when I turned off the TV last night to go to sleep. CSPAN was broadcasting his testimony in the parliamentary hearings. This morning the first thing I see is his face and the story of his missing body. It's very easy to connect the two even without the fact that the media put's it like this:
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Kelly appeared shell-shocked when parliamentarians at the hearing described him as ''chaff'' and a government ''fall guy,'' put forward to shield top officials from blame.

Kelly's wife Jane described him as deeply upset by the hearing, family friend Tom Mangold, a television journalist, told ITV News.
''She told me he had been under considerable stress, that he was very very angry about what had happened at the committee..,'' Mangold said.
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If it wasn't foul play it's extremely bad luck for the government because of course people are going to link the two stories.
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The thing I thought was kind of strange, was that they found him not far away from his house. To me it seems that people who commit suicide usually do it inside their house or somewhere far away from their house. Of course, I probably don't have a clue about such matters and should shut up.
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