Salmon of Doubt

Thanks, Dr. Rick, but I'm afraid know that already. I was just looking for dk's own opinion, and see if he could pin down exactly why it was gay men are so bad in his own mind.

Please excuse me, I'm just an ignorant science student, but that load of jargon doesn't make the most sense to me. I wonder why it is that you can't phrase your argument in simple terms so that any old joe can understand it? What you're saying seems to be... single moms bad... therefore lesbians also bad because there is no father involved... but it does require a commitment to family which is admirable.

Do men, or gay men show less of a commitment to family? Are their efforts for recognition of marriage or family less admirable?

Also, you failed to answer my other questions. Do you have any response to the extension of your argument that male gay sex is more dangerous and risky than hetero sex so it is worse. So isn't lesbian sex more desirable as it is the safest of the 3?

Do you think lesbians should marry? Is it morally wrong for lesbians to adopt children, or undergo procedures to help them have children? If your opinions on lesbians are different to those on male gay sex, why is that? Is it simply that you feel more threatened by gay men, or is there some mysterious other reason?

Dr Rick

...yguy actually posted that he means it this time, which clearly differentiates these comments from his other meaningless posts...

Rick

Kimpatsu

Slippery-slope argument.
Yguy uses yet another logical fallacy. His posts should be used as a primer on how not to argue.

yguy

I'm aware that many people consider "slippery slope" arguments somehow intrinsically fallacious, but it's baloney.

Do me a favor, if you will: rather than slap a ready-made label on my argument as a convenient pretext for dismissing it, tell me EXACTLY where the fallacy lies.

Betcha can't.

Kimpatsu

Betcha I can.
There is no corollary between homosexual relationships and incest. (Unless you're a pig.)
Slippery slope is, of course, intrinsically fallacious for the very reason that there is no connection between the two. Your attempt to join the dots is risible.

yguy

There most certainly is, from a sociological POV, since at one time both were considered perversions, though now only one of them is. Thus we know that it is possible that, by consensus and over time, some things may lose the perception shell of perversion, without regard to any objective morality. Therefore, it is perfectly logical to extrapolate the possiblity that that just as homosexuality became acceptable, incest can too.

I've just shown the empirical connection. There is also a psychological connection, just as there is between pedophilia and murder; but that would be lost on you.

Dr Rick

That's no more "logical" than to extrapolate the possiblity that that just as women voting became acceptable, murder can too.

yguy

False parallel. Women were denied the right to vote because of what they were, not because of what they did, or because they wanted societal approval for some particular activity of theirs. That can't be said for either homosexuals or those who enjoy incest, should there come a time when such people gain political clout.

Dr Rick

...that really loud BANG you might have heard was just another irony meter exploding...

TealVeal

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