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Philosoft · 06-04-2002, 04:34 PM

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Originally posted by Gemma Therese:


There is no argument I can give you, nor anyone else, that could change your view of the existence of God.

If you think about it, skeptics would be the easiest ones to convince about a proposition's truth or falsity. All you need is some evidence, or even a coherent logical argument. Skeptics don't require unreasonable mental gymnastics in order to see evidence that is allegedly 'obvious.'

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Many atheists-turned-theists have a defining moment when they gained faith. (Edith Stein read The Autobiography of St. Teresa of Avli in one night. She literally went from being atheist to Catholic in a night).

I'm sure Ms. Stein is much happier having been assured that "these are the answers" rather than finding the answers for herself.

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Other people come to a gradual understanding. Faith is a gift. That is why I pray for the atheists here.

A gift huh? How often do you use faith every day? How effective is faith at balancing your checkbook? Changing your car's oil? Washing your clothes? Fact is, faith is the antithesis of all these daily activities that make the world go 'round. Logic and reason are responsible for 99% of the decisions you make daily yet what do you say when you hit the game-winning home-run at the company softball game?

"I thank God I was able to perform."

Truly disheartening. I'll never pray for you.

Nikolai · 06-04-2002, 04:38 PM

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That is why I pray for the atheists here.

So are you praying that the omnipotent God will make us change our minds? What about the concept of free will? If there is no free will God is responceble for all the "evil" things in the world.

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However, the Isrealites' perception of God is what changed

So is the moral code or other things said by God subjective to the time one reads them in? Wouldn't that disprove the concept of biblical good and evil?

Gemma Therese · 06-04-2002, 04:42 PM

Ms. Stein died in the gas chambers of Auschwitz in 1942. She was a Carmelite nun. She is now a saint.

[ June 04, 2002: Message edited by: Gemma Therese ]

Gemma Therese · 06-04-2002, 04:45 PM

[ June 04, 2002: Message edited by: Gemma Therese ]

Thor Q. Mada · 06-04-2002, 04:46 PM

Correction:
She is not a saint. She was proclaimed a saint.

Gemma Therese · 06-04-2002, 04:47 PM

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Originally posted by Thor Q. Mada:
Correction:
She is not a saint. She was proclaimed a saint.

No, she IS a Roman Catholic saint, just as George W. IS president., whether you yourself think so.

Gemma Therese · 06-04-2002, 04:49 PM

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Originally posted by Thor Q. Mada:
Gemma,

When I looked at your websites, I didn't know whether to feel sick or sad. This is unbelievable. What a load of nonsense. But I guess some people need this kind of delusion to go through their lives.
Did you know that the present pope (a truly pathetic old man) took a piece of the body of John the 23rd with him to Bulgaria to be dispayed as a relic in a new cathedral. And we are talking 2002 and not 1602.
Do you understand that on her own, the catholic church (to whom I believe you belong), is responsible for at least 500 years delay in scientific development.
Who knows, cancer might have been cured long time ago. Talking about a huge debt to mankind!!!!
2002 years of continued profiteering, lies, cruelty, greed.
The only success story of the church is how they managed to survive so long. Wake-up, before it is too late.

The Catholic Church is responsible for the lack of a cure of cancer???

Wow, that's one I've never heard.

Thor Q. Mada · 06-04-2002, 04:57 PM

Read again Gemma,

I said that I hold the catholic church responsible for at least 500 years of delay in scientific development, and who knows, if they had done that, maybe we would now have a cure for cancer.
The debt of the church to mankind is so huge, and a few apologies from the pope for what the church did and does are not enough.
We should sue the church!!
Have you any idea what your church still today is doing??
Go as an example to the Filipines and see how their stance against birth control causes millions to be born in abysimal poverty. It cause the explosive spread of aids in a place where people cannot even pay for the simplest medication.
And you live in a dream world with St Gemma's and other imaginary people! Don't you know that this entire idolatry looks like the communist system with "example workers".
Opium for the people really.

Samhain · 06-04-2002, 04:57 PM

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If you think about it, skeptics would be the easiest ones to convince about a proposition's truth or falsity. All you need is some evidence, or even a coherent logical argument. Skeptics don't require unreasonable mental gymnastics in order to see evidence that is allegedly 'obvious.'

Cheers, Philosoft, I'll second that one.

Taffy Lewis · 06-04-2002, 05:12 PM

God is usually thought of as a personal being of great power, knowledge and goodness whose existence depends upon nothing apart from himself or whose existence is unconditional. Also, God is supposed to be a being upon which the existence of everything else depends.

This seems to make sense even if it is false.

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Thor Q. Mada Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Asia Posts: 3,558	Correction: She is not a saint. She was proclaimed a saint.

06-04-2002, 04:57 PM	#28
Thor Q. Mada Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Asia Posts: 3,558	Read again Gemma, I said that I hold the catholic church responsible for at least 500 years of delay in scientific development, and who knows, if they had done that, maybe we would now have a cure for cancer. The debt of the church to mankind is so huge, and a few apologies from the pope for what the church did and does are not enough. We should sue the church!! Have you any idea what your church still today is doing?? Go as an example to the Filipines and see how their stance against birth control causes millions to be born in abysimal poverty. It cause the explosive spread of aids in a place where people cannot even pay for the simplest medication. And you live in a dream world with St Gemma's and other imaginary people! Don't you know that this entire idolatry looks like the communist system with "example workers". Opium for the people really.

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Taffy Lewis Regular Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: North America Posts: 203	God is usually thought of as a personal being of great power, knowledge and goodness whose existence depends upon nothing apart from himself or whose existence is unconditional. Also, God is supposed to be a being upon which the existence of everything else depends. This seems to make sense even if it is false.

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