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sakrilege · 05-29-2003, 04:04 AM

god works in mysterious ways, yeah, that's it. It's only coincidence that it is the same as random chance.

keyser_soze · 05-29-2003, 04:39 AM

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Originally posted by sakrilege
god works in mysterious ways, yeah, that's it. It's only coincidence that it is the same as random chance.

But it's all according to god's plan...he just forgot to tell us what it was..

Did he create hell BEFORE the fall? I'm just curious...

Muffinstuffer · 05-29-2003, 05:19 AM

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Originally posted by cjack
You'd think the "Truth of the Word of Gawd" would stand up to a little questioning, wouldn't you?

Heh. That depends almost entirely upon the one who is being questioned.

Darth Dane · 05-29-2003, 05:25 AM

Queenofswords: Amzingly well put, LOL good.

If this is what Christianity does to people, I'm so glad I'm an atheist.

Lets hold on to that tought....christianity may do this to people, but the words of Jesus, paints another picture, which I adhere to. Why christians can't give up this idea of punishment, I'll fathom little of christianity, but plenty of Jesus' words. IMHO, there is a huge difference between what Jesus taught, and how people(christians in particular) interpret the words. If an interpretation is in conflict with any of Jesus' words, then it is faulty. God will afaik not punish anyone in that sense. It doesn't make sense to me

DD - Love Spliff

Aravnah Ornan · 05-29-2003, 05:28 AM

Even when I was devout, I didn't appreciate the "Don't question" attitude. The Bible says, "Let Us make man in Our image." Unless the Magellanic Clouds are the adrenal glands of the Almighty, that verse must mean that G-d gave us our reasoning ability, among other things. Does it follow that G-d is going to send us to Hell for using the gift that G-d has given us to consider the book that is supposed to be G-d's word, and for being like G-d in that respect?

Aravnah Ornan · 05-29-2003, 05:32 AM

Also, a Christian once told me that if he gave faulty teaching that resulted in someone's damnation, the Christian who gave that faulty teaching would lose some of his reward in Heaven. Now, how does that work? "Margaret, because you believed Jeff when he misinterpreted some obscure verse in II Peter, you're going to suffer for eternity. Jeff, because you've done this bad thing, you'll have one fewer ruby in a crown that's there just so you can cast it at My feet anyway."

Godot · 05-29-2003, 06:04 AM

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Originally posted by Muffinstuffer
Heh. That depends almost entirely upon the one who is being questioned.

Are you volunteering for the role of Torquemada?

lugotorix · 05-29-2003, 06:36 AM

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Originally posted by Darth Dane
Queenofswords: Amzingly well put, LOL good.

If this is what Christianity does to people, I'm so glad I'm an atheist.

Lets hold on to that tought....christianity may do this to people, but the words of Jesus, paints another picture, which I adhere to. Why christians can't give up this idea of punishment, I'll fathom little of christianity, but plenty of Jesus' words. IMHO, there is a huge difference between what Jesus taught, and how people(christians in particular) interpret the words. If an interpretation is in conflict with any of Jesus' words, then it is faulty. God will afaik not punish anyone in that sense. It doesn't make sense to me
DD - Love Spliff

How do you explain these passages in Matthew 13, where Jesus says:

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40 "As the weeds are pulled up and burned in the fire, so it will be at the end of the age.
41 The Son of Man will send out his angels, and they will weed out of his kingdom everything that causes sin and all who do evil.
42 They will throw them into the fiery furnace, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
...
49 This is how it will be at the end of the age. The angels will come and separate the wicked from the righteous
50 and throw them into the fiery furnace, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

Sounds like Jesus is talking about eternal punishment to me.

lugotorix

Muffinstuffer · 05-29-2003, 07:10 AM

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Originally posted by Godot
Are you volunteering for the role of Torquemada?

No, I have too much admin paperwork to do.

braces_for_impact · 05-29-2003, 07:24 AM

Queenofswords, take solace in the fact that according to many theists I have talked to, real Christians never leave the flock. Therefore these deconverts weren't real Christians, therefore you didn't sin!

Tah Dah!

Any unethical person can use some dirty attorney tricks and get around this whole bible thing and end up in heaven, it's all in how you look at it.

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05-29-2003, 04:04 AM	#11
sakrilege Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Cleveland, OH, USA Folding@Home Godless Team Posts: 6,211	god works in mysterious ways, yeah, that's it. It's only coincidence that it is the same as random chance.

05-29-2003, 05:25 AM	#14
Darth Dane Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Required Posts: 2,349	Queenofswords: Amzingly well put, LOL good. If this is what Christianity does to people, I'm so glad I'm an atheist. Lets hold on to that tought....christianity may do this to people, but the words of Jesus, paints another picture, which I adhere to. Why christians can't give up this idea of punishment, I'll fathom little of christianity, but plenty of Jesus' words. IMHO, there is a huge difference between what Jesus taught, and how people(christians in particular) interpret the words. If an interpretation is in conflict with any of Jesus' words, then it is faulty. God will afaik not punish anyone in that sense. It doesn't make sense to me DD - Love Spliff

05-29-2003, 05:28 AM	#15
Aravnah Ornan Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Alexandria, VA, Faith-Based States of Jesusland Posts: 1,794	Even when I was devout, I didn't appreciate the "Don't question" attitude. The Bible says, "Let Us make man in Our image." Unless the Magellanic Clouds are the adrenal glands of the Almighty, that verse must mean that G-d gave us our reasoning ability, among other things. Does it follow that G-d is going to send us to Hell for using the gift that G-d has given us to consider the book that is supposed to be G-d's word, and for being like G-d in that respect?

05-29-2003, 05:32 AM	#16
Aravnah Ornan Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Alexandria, VA, Faith-Based States of Jesusland Posts: 1,794	Also, a Christian once told me that if he gave faulty teaching that resulted in someone's damnation, the Christian who gave that faulty teaching would lose some of his reward in Heaven. Now, how does that work? "Margaret, because you believed Jeff when he misinterpreted some obscure verse in II Peter, you're going to suffer for eternity. Jeff, because you've done this bad thing, you'll have one fewer ruby in a crown that's there just so you can cast it at My feet anyway."

05-29-2003, 07:24 AM	#20
braces_for_impact Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: In a nondescript, black helicopter. Posts: 6,637	Queenofswords, take solace in the fact that according to many theists I have talked to, real Christians never leave the flock. Therefore these deconverts weren't real Christians, therefore you didn't sin! Tah Dah! Any unethical person can use some dirty attorney tricks and get around this whole bible thing and end up in heaven, it's all in how you look at it.

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