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EasternGate · 08-03-2003, 05:01 PM

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Originally posted by Secular Pinoy
Could you reconcile the various passion narratives in the gospels?

It is evident that each of the Gospels contemplates Jesus Christ in a distinct relationship - Matthew as King, Mark as Servant, Luke as Son of Man, and John as Son of God.

missus_gumby · 08-03-2003, 05:09 PM

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As Talking about John 7:38, Jesus is talking about scripture refering to the rock that followed Israel and gave them water in the desert.
At the Feast of Tabernacles, water was poured out daily at the altar to remind everyone of the water God miraculously provided for a thirsty Israel in the wilderness Jesus boldly calls people to Himself, claiming that He can satisfy the inner thirst in man. But the water of the Holy Spirit not only goes in, it comes out - not only does the believer receive blessing, but he becomes a blessing to others
That is your answer.

I'll quote the passage I referred to:

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John 7:38 He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water.

In the passage the biblical character of jesus is quoting scripture. It's that easy - or as you put it (in your next post):

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God's message can be understood in the sense that the Gospel is simple and easy enough for a child to understand.

You say that you have answered my question, but you didn't. The character of jesus in John 7:38 is quoting scripture - but I can't find it! Where is the scripture? I'm not interested in your, or anyone else's, angle on water flowing out of mobile rocks or any other irrelevances. Where is the scripture that says: those that believe in jesus will have water flowing from their bellys? Please stick to the quoted material and not stuff you make up yourself - it is not contained in John 7:38, or even appropriate to the question in hand.

EasternGate · 08-03-2003, 05:13 PM

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Originally posted by Wayne Delia
Count me solidly in favor of the wild ride with naked chicks. But is the comment about Psalms being repetitious actually called for? (Hint: Check out Psalms 14 and Psalms 53. It's beyond repetitious - it's plagiarism.)

WMD

In Psalm 14 the name LORD is used, signifying the True name of God which is 'Jehovah". This prophecies and shows that Jesus(Jehovah, Joshua) was the Creator.

In Psalm 53 you see the word God which in ancient Hebrew is Eloihim (God's) meaning God the Father, Son and Spirit as One.

EasternGate · 08-03-2003, 05:15 PM

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Originally posted by emotional
Question: why does the Bible, on Page One, call the sun and the moon "two great lights", when neither of them is great, and only one of them is really a light?

The moon is the brightest light in the sky at night and so it's a great light. Even though it shines because of the sun, it acts as a night light at night. It is also used for times and seasons and also telling the weather by how it looks.

EasternGate · 08-03-2003, 05:28 PM

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Originally posted by Duvenoy
Here's a holy mystery: What species was the serpent in the Garden of Eden?

I've studied reptiles off and on for all of my life, and I've never encountered, nor heard of anyone else findng, a snake with vocal apparatus capable of more than a strident hiss.

An answer stating to the effect that God knocked off a special number for the occasion is not acceptable, as it cannot be confirmed.

(chuckle) I am reminded that all this took place in the lands that later became famous for hashist and opium. Food for thought, there.

doov

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EasternGate · 08-03-2003, 05:41 PM

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Originally posted by ex-xian
I've got a question. How come Matthew says that Jeconiah is one of Jesus' ancestors, but in Jeremiah it says that he's so wicked that none of his children will sit on the throne of david.

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Cross Examiner · 08-03-2003, 05:46 PM

missus_gumby

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The character of jesus in John 7:38 is quoting scripture - but I can't find it! Where is the scripture? I'm not interested in your, or anyone else's, angle on water flowing out of mobile rocks or any other irrelevances. Where is the scripture that says: those that believe in jesus will have water flowing from their bellys?

I understand that in John 7:38, Jesus is comparing Himself to the waters that never fail, found in Isaiah 58:11. His audience would've caught His drift well enough.

Isaiah 58:11
The LORD will guide you always; he will satisfy your needs in a sun-scorched land and will strengthen your frame. You will be like a well-watered garden, like a spring whose waters never fail.

Regards,
BGic

EasternGate · 08-03-2003, 05:51 PM

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Originally posted by Duvenoy
I gots another one concerning the so-called Noahcan Flood. Eastern Gate, how's yer math?

http://www.holysmoke.org/cretins/fludmath.htm

According to this, the aforementioned flood is physically impossible. Would you be kind enough to refute it? I mean really; I'd like to see it taken down. If you can do it----- :notworthy

Lay it on us, bro.

doov

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EasternGate · 08-03-2003, 05:54 PM

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Originally posted by Jobar
In various places in the Bible, it's stated that God is a "jealous God".

Jealous of what, exactly?

God created man and He is jealous that man worships creation (all things that man lives for to satify himself) instead of the Creator who made them. It is because of His goodness that we have the things we can enjoy and use for life.

Wayne Delia · 08-03-2003, 05:58 PM

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Originally posted by EasternGate
In Psalm 14 the name LORD is used, signifying the True name of God which is 'Jehovah". This prophecies and shows that Jesus(Jehovah, Joshua) was the Creator.

But Jesus's name in Hebrew was Yeshua, meaning "Yahweh is salvation." Jesus's name wasn't Jehovah, nor Joshua - nor Immanuel, for that matter. This isn't any prophecy at all, much less one of Jesus; it's just an ad hominem attack by the psalmist against those who don't believe in his particular God.

In Psalm 53 you see the word God which in ancient Hebrew is Eloihim (God's) meaning God the Father, Son and Spirit as One.

So in two versions of a seven-verse psalm, substituting the word "God" for "the Lord," all other things being equal, somehow does not qualify as plagiarism? Are you out of your mind?

And What About The Naked Chicks?

WMD

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