FRDB Archives

Freethought & Rationalism Archive

The archives are read only.


Go Back   FRDB Archives > Archives > IIDB ARCHIVE: 200X-2003, PD 2007 > IIDB Philosophical Forums (PRIOR TO JUN-2003)
Welcome, Peter Kirby.
You last visited: Today at 05:55 AM

 
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old 07-31-2003, 08:47 PM   #41
Veteran Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2001
Posts: 3,921
Default

Quote:
Originally posted by Magus55
Because, reparations for sinning against an infinite perfect being can never be payed back to God on our own. And since you can never pay back the debt, the punishment is infinite. The price has to be that heavy, or God wouldn't be perfect. Anything less than perfection is inexcusable by our own merit. God can't allow a sinner to go unpunished. Its basically the same as our justice system, except on a perfect and infinite scale. Life imprisonment and the death penalty are the ultimate punishments, because the government deems that it would take the criminals entire life, or the termination of their life, to pay back society for the crimes committed. But, in our system, the human body is finite and has an end, and the amount of reparations needed to pay back society are finite. The amount of reparations needed to pay back God on the other hand, are infinite, as is the soul. There is a reason that Jesus discussed Hell and how to avoid it more than anything else in the Bible. Because of how severe it is, and because of how much He wants us to avoid it. He told you how, and Jesus made redemption possible - the rest is up to you and your decision. Endure God's punishment for not meeting His standards of perfection with no remorse, or accept His offer, and seek forgiveness.

Now you may not think its fair for God to hold you accountable for not being perfect, but all of humanity is at fault - and you are part of that fault since you continue to live in sin. God knows very well you can never meet His standards or be perfect, which is why He set up the only way possible for you to meet His standards, by going through the Mediator between God the Father and humanity. God came to earth and died on the cross by our hands in order for us to be able to be redeemed despite our imperfections. He payed the price for our faults that we can't do because we aren't perfect, but God is perfect and therefore is able to redeem us through Jesus.
But you see, Magus...I didn't do anything. I didn't eat the apple. I didn't disobey anyone. I was born into a world that, according to you, was imperfect...without agreeing to it ahead of time. How can god ask me to spend eternity in hell when I didn't ask to be born, I certainly was in no way responsible for the blunders of Adam and Eve, and I had no choice in being given an imperfect body prone to sin. And even if I were to go about repenting every five minutes, according to the bible's list of dos and don'ts, chances are I would still die with some sin for which I hadn't gotten around to asking forgiveness. Hell, I could die in a car accident and, through a completely involuntary surge of fear that blinded me and made me completely deaf to what I was saying, say "Jesus fucking christ!" and die with that blasphemy on my lips. I, even as a saved person (according to faiths which I believe you share), might wind up in hell for that.

The cards have been stacked against me since day one.

If your religion is real as well as your god, I'd stand a better chance being a miscarriage or an abortion myself over being born.
Hedwig is offline  
Old 07-31-2003, 08:57 PM   #42
Banned
 
Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: IL
Posts: 552
Default

Magus was just browsing the GRD forum, but didn't bother replying to any of us. Interesting....
notMichaelJackson is offline  
Old 07-31-2003, 10:40 PM   #43
Veteran Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2002
Location: Brisbane, Australia
Posts: 3,425
Default

Quote:
Originally posted by notMichaelJackson
Magus was just browsing the GRD forum, but didn't bother replying to any of us. Interesting....
Must still be praying, I suppose.
winstonjen is offline  
 

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -8. The time now is 08:18 PM.

Top

This custom BB emulates vBulletin® Version 3.8.2
Copyright ©2000 - 2015, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.