Anunnaki

Hmm. I`ve been living with depression for over half my life and no doctors have ever mentioned that this could be due to problems with my "soul".
I think you watch a little too much Oprah,but I`ll bite and ask how does someone go about fixing their soul?

kwigibo

go to a cobbler

Hedwig

I was religious and I did attempt suicide while religious. My youth minister was instrumental in my self-loathing and self-hatred. Thanks Steve!

Bree

Mine told me to commit suicide to end my innate spiritual uncleanliness.

mongrel

Aren't there laws against that sort of thing?

excreationist

Did you believe in the eternal torture of hell though? I find it hard to understand that anyone who thinks that suicide results in eternal torture would contemplate suicide. Unless of course they are dying in God's name. i.e. being a martyr.

jojo-sa

Seems you dont have understanding of Islam though you paste heaps of quotes from the Quran(which can and in time will all be explained, this takes time,have patience seeing you post so many )

So if you knew Islam you would know that this is the only chance we have to pass or fail the test and the only chance we have to score points. Its like an endowment savings account for example, the longer you have it the more it pays out.

So to get better payout you have to do more of the things that give returns and the longer life one lives the bigger the potential returns.

As for the things that give returns this can be explained in time. (have patience) I do have to work as well and in Islam if the work one does is legal it is also one of those things that bring in reuturns.

Bree

So, life (in your religion) is seen as nothing more than a savings or chequing account? Or how about a football game - what is this talk of points? Or maybe it's like a slot machine in a Vegas casino (minus the topless dancers) - the more tokens you put in, the greater your chances of reaping the jackpot?

Mongreldog - there is no law against that kind of thing, I'm afraid. A civil lawsuit might get somewhere (negligence on the part of the pastor) but the chance of that is slim as well - since I'm supposed to have been in a good enough frame of mind to take his words with a grain of salt.

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sullster

Wow, Amos, some of the things you write really get me riled up,(in case you haven't noticed), but this posting from you hits me in a different way.

That is quite a personal aside to reveal that you had a son who died. I cannot even begin to understand what that must be like. Although I still feel you were being excessively off-hand in your view of depression, I wish to apologise for being so flippant with you in my response. I admire your courage for including such a personal tragedy in this somewhat cold atmosphere of a message forum.

Also I admire your response about how some religious people deal with their impending death, and that many are no better off than atheists. Kubler-Ross's book,"On Death and Dying", had a reference to this issue. I infer that you are exclusively referring to the protestants but you didn't overtly state that.

Your humor at the expense of Protestants is amusing but I feel it is too edgy. But, I am an edgy guy too, so I can relate.

Finally, In general I agree that suicide can be seen as cowardice, in that one doesn't want to go on with the uncertainties of life. Yet, depressed individuals who commit suicide should not be labeled as cowards. Suicide can be a tragic solution for ending unbearable agony. It may take a level of courage to do it. The thing about clinical depression is that there are many things which can alleviate it. It is not melancholy, and is an emperically analysed state of the brain. Enough.

Don't worry I will not let up my opinions about anything you write which ticks me off, but I admire you for sharing your personal grief.

Sincerely, Sullster

Hedwig

I didn't think I deserved anything other than hell. My lineage was tainted with satan. Apparently most of my recent to non-recent ancestors are burning. There are things that happen in my family that don't readily explain themselves. Like at the same time my great aunt died my mother and brother were sitting within view of the front door of our house and suddenly someone started to jiggle the handle from the outside. Upon inspection, they discovered that the screen door in front of the front door on the outside of our house was locked. That kind of weirdness is common in my family and taken with a shrug and a "whatever". Steve determined that this was proof that my line was evil. I know that kind of stuff is stuff people around here are skeptical about. But hey, I'm just going with what they told me. This is my Native American side. Weird crap is considered normal. I'd like to hear what you cats think of it though.

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