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Ptarmigan · 02-18-2003, 07:27 PM

Famous libertarians, like Harry Browne, Thomas Jefferson, and some you would least expect, Neal Boortz and Howard Stern.
http://www.geocities.com/~freewillie...ERTARIANS.html

August Spies · 02-18-2003, 08:20 PM

Yeah big surprise that Howard Stern is a libertarian (and I mean that in a bad way).

Last time I checked Dave Berry called himself an anarchist.

anyway all my preferences aside I didn't find this list very impressive. I basically didn't know who any of these people where... the ones that were "famous" enough to get a epitaph were almost always "talk show radio host" or "libertarian canidate"

and to call Jefferson a libertarian is silly.

Zar · 02-18-2003, 09:10 PM

I sort of like John Stossel

hezekiah jones · 02-18-2003, 09:39 PM

Wow, Orson Bean, Drew Carey, Matt Drudge, Al Goldstein, John Larroquette, P.J. O'Rourke (P.J. O'Rourke is a fucking Republican), Kurt Russell, Howard Stern ... that's mighty impressive. Where do I sign up?

(Thomas Jefferson - nice try.)

Loren Pechtel · 02-18-2003, 10:16 PM

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Originally posted by Zar
I sort of like John Stossel

From what I've seen of him he cares nothing for the big picture. He presents only part of the story in order to make his point even if he should perfectly well know that if you look at the whole picture you would reach a different conclusion.

Melkor · 02-19-2003, 06:47 AM

The "official" Libertarian Party might not have been around in the late 1700's, but Jefferson was the inspiration for most of the modern party's platform, and was arguably much closer to Libertarian in principle and practice than any other modern party around today.

I mean, if Jefferson were alive today, which party do you guys think he'd join? The Democrats? Please....

Jane Bovary · 02-19-2003, 04:57 PM

What a puny list. Art Bell...? Wasn't he abducted by aliens?

Some famous socialists:

Albert Einstein
Clarence Darrow
Jean Paul Sartre
Pablo Picasso
George Orwell
Marie Curie
Paul Robeson
Oscar Wilde
Moon...

Feather · 02-20-2003, 06:42 AM

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Originally posted by Melkor
The "official" Libertarian Party might not have been around in the late 1700's, but Jefferson was the inspiration for most of the modern party's platform, and was arguably much closer to Libertarian in principle and practice than any other modern party around today.

I mean, if Jefferson were alive today, which party do you guys think he'd join? The Democrats? Please....

Well the "official" Libertarian Party might claim Jefferson's views as the basis for their own, but the fact is that their views more closely resemble those of Ayn Rand than any of the founding fathers'. I don't even think the founding fathers could be accurately placed in modern American politics as anything other than "independent."

Shake · 02-20-2003, 10:56 AM

It's a decent list. I'm more impressed with some than others. But Art Bell? That guy's nuttier than a fruitcake!

Yes, the Libertarian Party does use some quotes by Jefferson for a basis.

Quote:

�May it be to the world... to assume the blessings and security of
self-government.� -- Thomas Jefferson, 1821.

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emphryio · 02-23-2003, 07:02 PM

Well for starters Jefferson wanted an 11th Bill of Rights Amendment that would have strictly curbed the power that corporations could attain. The Federalists managed to keep that one out and look at the result today!

Anway that doesn't seem remotely libertarian to me. I'd think him more of a green.

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02-18-2003, 08:20 PM	#2
August Spies Contributor Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: The Vine Posts: 12,950	Yeah big surprise that Howard Stern is a libertarian (and I mean that in a bad way). Last time I checked Dave Berry called himself an anarchist. anyway all my preferences aside I didn't find this list very impressive. I basically didn't know who any of these people where... the ones that were "famous" enough to get a epitaph were almost always "talk show radio host" or "libertarian canidate" and to call Jefferson a libertarian is silly.

02-18-2003, 09:10 PM	#3
Zar Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Chicago, IL USA Posts: 3,477	I sort of like John Stossel

02-18-2003, 09:39 PM	#4
hezekiah jones Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: WI Posts: 4,357	Wow, Orson Bean, Drew Carey, Matt Drudge, Al Goldstein, John Larroquette, P.J. O'Rourke (P.J. O'Rourke is a fucking Republican), Kurt Russell, Howard Stern ... that's mighty impressive. Where do I sign up? (Thomas Jefferson - nice try.)

02-19-2003, 06:47 AM	#6
Melkor Regular Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: The Void Posts: 396	The "official" Libertarian Party might not have been around in the late 1700's, but Jefferson was the inspiration for most of the modern party's platform, and was arguably much closer to Libertarian in principle and practice than any other modern party around today. I mean, if Jefferson were alive today, which party do you guys think he'd join? The Democrats? Please....

02-19-2003, 04:57 PM	#7
Jane Bovary Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: The Fatal Shore Posts: 900	What a puny list. Art Bell...? Wasn't he abducted by aliens? Some famous socialists: Albert Einstein Clarence Darrow Jean Paul Sartre Pablo Picasso George Orwell Marie Curie Paul Robeson Oscar Wilde Moon...

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emphryio Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: WV Posts: 4,369	Well for starters Jefferson wanted an 11th Bill of Rights Amendment that would have strictly curbed the power that corporations could attain. The Federalists managed to keep that one out and look at the result today! Anway that doesn't seem remotely libertarian to me. I'd think him more of a green.

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