Mageth

Could you define what you mean by "existence"? Just for clarification.

tribalbeeyatch

xian, if you aren't going to respond to a post, then could you please not bother quoting it to tell us that you are ignoring it. It makes the thread very frustrating to read and is really just a waste of bandwidth/server space.

xian

i fall back on what I said earlier. We have subjective ideas of what is the "greatest" but that does not mean there is not an objective "greatest". You might say "my definition of good" is greatest....and another might say "my definition of good" is greatest...but there may still be a definition of good that is greater than both of those. Just because one has not conceived such a definition does not necessitate that it does not exist. Objective existence is not contingent upon a subjective defintion. The GPB, if it exists, will be immune to what a quadrillion subjective humans think his attributes should be defined as.

Logic can give us a few of those attributes, but cannot give us them in fine detail like we want. And just because logic alone cannot spell out every detail of every attribute of the GPB, does not necessitate therefore that there cannot be a GPB.

xian

i want to sepcifically state I'm ignoring it otherwise ppl might think i'm dodging it. however, I will cut back on the quoting.

and to those concerned about server space:

if your post contains any belittling remarks, or subtle insults, attacks, accusations, theist bashing, etc....you will be wasting server space because i will ignore it.

Dr Rick

We don't need you to tell us which refutations you are ignoring or dodging, xian; they are quite obvious.

Rick

Jinto

May I point out that the fact that one has not concieved of such does not nessecitate that it does exist either.

Logic can tell us that a GPB would be perfect in every concievable way, and therefore would not be satisfied with imperfection in His creations. Thus, if a GPB were to create a universe, it would be the greatest possible universe. Now, given that this is most certainly NOT the greatest possible universe, I therefore conclude that the GPB DNE.

Soma

A perfect being would be indifferent to personal satisfaction...

Philosoft

Noted.
Very well. I only ask that, henceforth, you refrain from devoting an entire post to airing your disapprovals. Thanks,

~Philosoft, EoG mod

xian

likewise, people do not need to hurl ad-hominem remarks at me because I won't respond; that too should be quite obvious.

and no, despite your valliant attempt to get me to capitalise properly, i wont do it. i type fast, about 65wpm, and have RSI in my hands from years of typing. and because this forum is informal, i will not be pressing my shift key very often, nor double checking for spelling errors beyond what i obviously see before i click submit.

xian

as you wish. i will no longer do this.