alexander74

Greetings!
I have been following this thread with much amusement and wonder. Thanks, gang.

My question is for yguy- Sir, a while back you were asked why you kept putting gay in quotes. You responded with what seemed to me to be an irrelevent remark and response. Perhaps I am being thick, but I missed your point. So I ask you: Why do you keep using " " around the word gay? If this is related to a problem with gays, what is the reason for that problem?

alex
"Imagine..."

noli

:banghead:

Yanno the thing that is truly odd is not the fact that you quibble, but what you quible about.

It all depends on whether you consider a minor a child as to whether you consider the same abusive~

Let's just call it what it is; sexual assault/abuse/exploitation:

Understand that the terms minor and child are nearly interchangable in US law (meaning anyone under 18), but in this case anyone between 12 and 16 years of age.

It is, by definition the law of the US legal code:

Sec. 2243. - Sexual abuse of a minor or ward


(a) Of a Minor. -

Whoever, in the special maritime and territorial jurisdiction of the United States or in a Federal prison, knowingly engages in a sexual act with another person who -

(1)

has attained the age of 12 years but has not attained the age of 16 years; and

(2)

is at least four years younger than the person so engaging;


or attempts to do so, shall be fined under this title, imprisoned not more than 15 years, or both.

(b) Of a Ward. -

Whoever, in the special maritime and territorial jurisdiction of the United States or in a Federal prison, knowingly engages in a sexual act with another person who is -

(1)

in official detention; and

(2)

under the custodial, supervisory, or disciplinary authority of the person so engaging;


or attempts to do so, shall be fined under this title, imprisoned not more than one year, or both.

(c) Offenses Involving Young Children. -

If the sexual contact that violates this section is with an individual who has not attained the age of 12 years, the maximum term of imprisonment that may be imposed for the offense shall be twice that otherwise provided in this section.


Sec. 2251. - Sexual exploitation of children


(a)

Any person who employs, uses, persuades, induces, entices, or coerces any minor to engage in, or who has a minor assist any other person to engage in, or who transports any minor in interstate or foreign commerce, or in any Territory or Possession of the United States, with the intent that such minor engage in, any sexually explicit conduct for the purpose of producing any visual depiction of such conduct, shall be punished as provided under subsection (d), if such person knows or has reason to know that such visual depiction will be transported in interstate or foreign commerce or mailed, if that visual depiction was produced using materials that have been mailed, shipped, or transported in interstate or foreign commerce by any means, including by computer, or if such visual depiction has actually been transported in interstate or foreign commerce or mailed.

etc...

Here let me bold it in pertinent part:

Sexual abuse is when:

Whoever knowingly engages in a sexual act with another person who has attained the age of 12 years but has not attained the age of 16 years; and is at least four years younger than the person so engaging"

Nambla advocates sexual abuse.


The penalties are doubled when it is with young children. ANYONE UNDER THE AGE OF 18 being MINOR AND 16 BEING A CHILD.

Okay?


Now.

I really hope the pedophillia/pederasty tempest in a teacup is abandoned for some sort of reasonable exchange. Nambla was brought up (by me) to help folks understand why the historic roots of gay advocacy are mucked up with Man-Boy love. It was not an argument that homosexuals had perverted designs on minors.

Have a good one.

<insert anticipated responses per nauseum>

blah blah blah it's not abuse if they like it later

blah blah blah mebbe 12 year olds like to get it on, you prude

<reply>

Asked and answered, but while respectfuly noting any responses, will not respond to SOS, no matter how valid it may be. Too tedious for both readers and those in the near vicinity there of.

TTFN.

Amen-Moses

Not sure what that rant was aimed at, all I was doing was pointing out that if yguy is trying to link homosexuality with pedophilia then he needs to show a link not with underage sex but with prepubescent sex as that is the definition of pedophilia.

As has been pointed out many times the vast majority of pedophiles are heterosexual (or at least are married with children) not homosexual.

Amen-Moses

HelenM

The clue is in the name.

It's the anti-pedophile activists who crack down on pedophiles.

Helen

yguy

It's a silly comparison, since the enmity between the Phelps crowd and homosexual activists is not in dispute. And if the organizers have made clear to NAMBLA that they are not welcome at either the SF or NYC parades, why have they not made it clear to anyone else? What would an emphatically clear condemnation of these people cost them?

Bad Kitty

What about Greenpeace, the Animal Liberation Front, and MADD? How come they don't "crack down" on pedophilia?

Hedwig

Well, I could always email my friend Adam in NYC and ask him if he saw NAMBLA anywhere and if they were there were they marching in the parade, on the sidelines (both people supportive and against gay rights parades can be seen on the sidelines), etc.

He's straight but one of those "homosexual rights advocates" to which you refer and I believe he planned on attending the parade this year. He's a very credible person and I've never known him to lie either on behalf or against someone. Would he be good testimony, in your opinion?

Besides, I wasn't giving testimony. I was just pointing something out...and I even pointed out that there was room for error on the part of the Heritage of Pride website.

They do say in their FAQ that they refuse to descriminate when it comes to who marches in their parade, so your friend could very well be right. But I have friends too.

Just say the word and I'll give Adam a shout out.

Hedwig

Oh, heck...I'll throw yguy a bone.

Here's a press release dated almost a decade ago by the Gay and Lesbian Alliance Against Defamation.

http://www.glaad.org/media/archive_detail.php?id=278&

Have fun, yguy.

JamesKrieger

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Yguy, why don't you just quit? Your arguments have been ripped to shreds throughout this entire thread.

yguy

Not particularly, considering the testimony of Mr. Hall was unsolicited...and of course the absence of NAMBLA at this year's parade, while it would certainly be a good thing, doesn't prove they were absent in previous years.

I doubt very much that Dane Hall would ever consider me a friend even if he knew me.