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Ensign Steve · 03-07-2003, 04:20 PM

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It is very important that Mary is sinless because she is to be our mother as well. Hence Perpetual Virginity.

What does virginity have to do with motherhood?! With the exception of the specific people in question (Mary and Jesus) I don't think there is anybody whose mother was a virgin. I don't see where your "Hence" is coming from. How does sinlessness = virginity? Is ALL sex sinful?

Sabine Grant · 03-07-2003, 04:28 PM

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Hello to you Sabine, yes, Mary is very enigmatic but the liberation of Mary (after we have properly identified her as the "womb of God") brings Mary to the gates of purgatory where she is the head waitress at the royal banquet in Cana and from there will take us, as she did Jesus, thru purgatory and into heaven. The problem is that Mary is enigmatic and will not be 'fooled' or fornicated (as Boethuis put it) because she will become Eve instead (and we'll get a scorpion instead of a fish). Hence the "virginity" metaphor.

It is very important that Mary is sinless because she is to be our mother as well. Hence Perpetual Virginity. She becomes part of the Trinity in heaven where the HS is redundant. I mean, would't we look stupid to pray the HS down from heaven if we are in heaven? Beside who needs the HS with the mind of God? Rapture is just the rapture of our ego identity at rebirth eg. 'two' men on the roof, 'two' women or here or there but never 'one' man and 'one' woman (see the connection).

I am not really interested in called evangelical christians wrong but they should at least examine their beliefs and not remain stuck in same rut until they die.

Still trying to keep up with your mind dear Amos...

I guess my point is that does it make a difference in terms of how effective and productive faith in God can be ( here and now) whether or not Mary needs to be all the things she is to you? I am one of those simplistic believers who attaches little importance to theological concepts as I believe that I need no other requirement but to love God thru Christ to see my faith be effective as a human being.
Sorry if I shock you but were Christ be born from Mary Magdalene, my faith would be the same.

03-07-2003, 04:37 PM

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Originally posted by JenniferD
What does virginity have to do with motherhood?!

Not a physical mother but a spiritual mother. We are spiritual beings and before we can have Mary as our mother we must protect her virginity which is equal to our integrity. Do you feel that you have an integrity (a wholeness) about you? If you do, that is your spiritual virginity. Notice that you may have "given yourself" to you lover with permission, eg. to have been raped is different for that reason.

Sex is good and never sinfull until you violate your own perimeter. Where you set this is your choice but you must keep in mind that the deviation of the norm becomes the treshold of hope in respect to our attainment of peace on earth.

Ensign Steve · 03-07-2003, 04:42 PM

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Originally posted by Amos
Not a physical mother but a spiritual mother. We are spiritual beings and before we can have Mary as our mother we must protect her virginity which is equal to our integrity. Do you feel that you have an integrity (a wholeness) about you? If you do, that is your spiritual virginity. Notice that you may have "given yourself" to you lover with permission, eg. to have been raped is different for that reason.

Sex is good and never sinfull until you violate your own perimeter. Where you set this is your choice but you must keep in mind that the deviation of the norm becomes the treshold of hope in respect to our attainment of peace on earth.

Sex is good, and never sinful. Except for some reason Mary must maintain her virginity (actual physical virgininty?) in order for me to maintain my integrity? How does that follow. Why is her physical virginity equal to our integrity?

03-07-2003, 04:46 PM

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Originally posted by Sabine Grant
Sorry if I shock you but were Christ be born from Mary Magdalene, my faith would be the same.

No shock at all because I would be the one to tell you that.

Mary is the things she is to me because she is the things to me she is to me.

Faith is an enemy to understanding and you will know this to be true because doubt remains paired with it on a near equal basis.

03-07-2003, 04:49 PM

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Originally posted by JenniferD
Sex is good, and never sinful. Except for some reason Mary must maintain her virginity (actual physical virgininty?) in order for me to maintain my integrity? How does that follow. Why is her physical virginity equal to our integrity?

Nono, your integrity is equal to her virginity. We are not talking historic Mary here but the personifaction of Mary, which is your womanity for you and mine for me (remember above I told Abe that we are not fucking here but are talling about our spiritual theotokos).

Gemma Therese · 03-07-2003, 07:37 PM

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Originally posted by JenniferD
Sex is good, and never sinful.

Really?

Think about that statement.

Gemma Therese

christ-on-a-stick · 03-07-2003, 07:45 PM

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Sex is good, and never sinful.

Gemma sez:

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Really? Think about that statement.

Well, GT, I realize that you weren't talking to me there but since you steadfastly refuse to answer my questions when I *do* address you, I'm sure you'll forgive me for jumping in here unbidden.

Sex is good.
Sex is never sinful.

No problem with either of these statements, as far as I'm concerned... obviously the whole concept of "sin" in and of itself is a purely human construct based upon antiquated and absurd (A&A!!!) ideas, therefore it is indeed accurate to say that "sex is never sinful".

Sex may sometimes be unethical. Sex may sometimes be morally questionable. But this whole "sin" thing.... let's just say it doesn't have a leg to stand on.

BTW, have you considered whether you are being a good "witness for Christ" by your continued refusal to address those who question you directly???

Gemma Therese · 03-07-2003, 07:48 PM

Sex between father and daughter is good?
Sex between mother and son is good?
Sex between rapist and victim is good?

Gemma Therese

christ-on-a-stick · 03-07-2003, 08:06 PM

DID YOU EVEN *READ* MY POST?????????

JESUS H. CHRIST ON A FUCKING STICK.....

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