brighid

Results! I would say lower crime rates, longer life expectancies, higher degrees of education, extended maternity leave (up to 3 years) at 80 to 90% of a parents pay, better and comprehensive health care, and so on and so forth ... so many of the things that the right complain is wrong with the US can be found to better in many European systems.

I did not say they were morally superior, although it can be argued that social systems that place a high value and therefore support strong family structures are superior to social systems that denegrate, penalize and do little to support families.

Oh, you don't think pedophiles and Islamic terrorists are right here in the good ol' US of A? Hmmmm ... what's that large institution so fond of aiding and abetting pedophiles ... OH YEAH, the American Catholic Church! Where did the 9/11 terrorists get their training from? Was it here in the US, maybe Florida? Come on now, don't you know that ad hominem attacks are fallicious and cannot support your argument?

Brighid

fatherphil

got any studies to back that up?

brighid

I don't know ... let's see ... all the ones I have posted??? If you would like more and time willing I would be more then happy to provide you with even more.

Brighid

yguy

Problem is, that is almost never an instantaneous process, except maybe on sitcoms. That being the case, there will be a time lag between the time the fault manifests itself and the time the problem is corrected. During that period, it appears to me that the parent has no alternative but to put up with it.

yguy

Ahh, the welfare state. Seems to me they're a bunch of pikers for not giving 5 years of maternity leave with 100% pay.

Little wonder they have such a fondness for parasitism when they come crying to us any time their moral weakness breeds a WWII or a Bosnia.

All this shows is that the US is to some degree afflicted with the same sickness that afflicts Europe, as conservatives have been yelling about for the last 15 years at least. It is no accident that the Rapist-in-Chief was so amenable to exactly the sort of socialist insanity you're applauding.

fatherphil

repost the one that first states that parents are important, then the one that states that sah parents are not preferred over working parents.

Roland98

This is exactly what I mean about some Christians (and oh, how I hate to use yguy as an example, because believe me, I know he's not the best representative). What Brighid suggested would seem to me to be a good start towards demonstrating the importance of women in the workforce, particularly during and after pregnancy. By giving women longer paid maternity leave, it would allow for the situation you think is ideal, yguy; and by allowing women to care for their kid without the stress of returning to work immediately, it wouldn't surprise me if it would also decrease the number of abortions carried out each year. Sorry, but you can't have it both ways--and at least Brighid is putting forth suggestions, something I have yet to see from fatherphil or yguy.

pilaar

Prison population (per 100.000 of national population)

USA 645
Canada 115
United Kingdom 125
Denmark 65
Finland 55
Norway 55
Sweden 60
Italy 85
Slovenia 40 (where I am from)
Switzerland 90
France 90
Germany 90
Australia 95

http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/rds/pdfs/r88.pdf

Perhaps it is the prevalence of conservatism in US and its inhumane social policies that are leading so much of the population into prisons in USA?

pilaar

Queen of Swords

Originally posted by yguy
Problem is, that is almost never an instantaneous process, except maybe on sitcoms.

Does the fact that it may not always be instantaneous mean that the parent has no choice but to put up with stupidity?

That being the case, there will be a time lag between the time the fault manifests itself and the time the problem is corrected.

Not necessarily. It would depend on the situation.

During that period, it appears to me that the parent has no alternative but to put up with it.

I don't see why the parent has to put up with it if the parent has a choice between correcting the child and simply waiting.

Moreover, what does this have to do with the topic : babies in day care? Unless you are discussing the correction of babies?

Queen of Swords

Something I've been thinking about :

One reason that I'm much more open to the concept of non-traditional families raising healthy children could be that my Sri Lankan extended family, ultra-conservative in other ways, was rarely if ever a typical nuclear family. My grandmother had an arranged marriage to my grandfather, who was a magistrate working far away. He built a house for her on the edge of the jungle, but his job took him away from that house for the whole of the working week. She saw him on weekends only, and during that time, he was busy running the farm, repairing the house and so on. They still raised six children, all presumably conceived on weekends.

My mother's older sister married a man who deserted her a few years later, leaving her with two small children. She worked as a teacher and brought them up. My mother's younger sister fell in love with a man who worked in the city, a good three or four hours' drive away, assuming good roads and a car which didn't break down. She didn't want to leave her family to live in the city, and he didn't want to leave his job to live on the edge of the jungle. So they married anyway, and he came home on the weekends. They have two children too - very well-brought-up boys. Somehow they made their arrangement work, and although I don't advocate this for everyone, I can't say that I see anything terribly wrong in the solution they found for themselves.

Just thought people might like to see examples of non-traditional families from another part of the world.