Koyaanisqatsi

He's made no points or even relevant observations. But I'll gladly dress up in a gladiator costume if you'll slip into a slave costume...

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brighid

Slave costume … well, I would have to borrow one of those because I have yet to play the submissive role … however if it were a female warrior costume I may be inclined to oblige

Brighid

MadMordigan

Ahh , springtime in the Secular Web and love blooms everywhere.

Koyaanisqatsi

Why, you could wear nothing at all, as far as I'm concerned .

WJ

Koy!

You can evade the questions, like a politician can, but it doesn't change your fundamental perception [epistemy] of your faith and/or belief system. The essence of the concept 'Cult' is another human belief system.

As regards to the other comments, again you are unable to answer those questions, therefore, your belief system is not very convincing (just like the Theists arguments).

I'll ask one more time in another way: If God doesn't exist, why does the Atheist [or you in this case] care so much?

Walrus
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Rational Ag

It's not a belief system, it's the lack of a belief system. We don't "believe in" anything. We disbelieve in your form of God based on evidence.

We "care so much" because religious fanatics like you care so much. If we didn't "care so much", our country would otherwise be dominated with unthinking religious zealots who claim truth and then impose their 2000 year old sense of morality on us.

We "care so much" because we are tired of being infringed upon by ignorant, superstitious, indoctrinated people.

-Rational Ag

brighid

Ah – we are a depraved bunch! So – you in Gladiator costume and me wearing nothing at all – somehow that just doesn’t seem fair! Koy, you are a bad, bad man.

Alas, I have an exclusive pleasure contract on my hot naked bod and fantastic sexual skills … although when a good friend and I jello wrestle I will make sure to post the place and time and then you can all visit and get pretty darn close to seeing me naked

Brighid

Datheron

SOMMS,

....obviously, you didn't read what I wrote. And you should be intelligent enough to know where I'm coming from without resorting to ignorant farce.

Almost all religions place man as somehow important in the Universe. Even if we only occupy a gazillionth of its space and our impact is virtually non-existent. We first placed ourselves as the center of the universe, and when that didn't work out, we simply declared ourselves God's chosen. It's amazing how some otherwise-rational people would believe that the stars - suns that could engulf earth and all its life in mere seconds - are created by God so that early explorers could use them for navigation! That the universe's constants are tuned just for our existence!

So, arrogance? Yes.

And by the way, notice I said "most religions". You do not have a monopoly on the term, so don't act as if you do.

Jefferson

WJ

Rational!

Ohh, I love to speak to rational people. They are alwas very accurate in their use of logic. It is my favorite topic. Are you an 'epistemological' rationalist?

To that end you said;

"It's not a belief system, it's the lack of a belief system. We don't "believe in" anything. We disbelieve in your form of God based on evidence."

What you seem to be saying is a contradiction in terms (not that contradiction doesn't exist or is all that bad). Don't you have to believe God exists before you debate the non-existence of God?

Then you said:


"We "care so much" because religious fanatics like you care so much. If we didn't "care so much", our country would otherwise be dominated with unthinking religious zealots who claim truth and then impose their 2000 year old sense of morality on us."

Ok, how do you *know* I'm a religious fanatic? Let us see how rtional your belief is about me!

Then more of that, you said:

"We "care so much" because we are tired of being infringed upon by ignorant, superstitious, indoctrinated people."

Mmmm, so, do you care, or do you *not* care; which is it? With all due respect, you're leaving the impression that you are an 'atheist-religious fanatic'. (Maybe I don't have the proper terms right.)

I welcome correction.

Walrus