winstonjen

It is also why atheists work towards their own goals rather than expecting someone else to do it for them. They answer their own prayers.

christ-on-a-stick

No way, dude! The Almighty Penguin has "answered" exactly the same percentage of my prayers as "God" ever did.

I'm sure you will discount *my* personal experience , though, while still expecting the rest of us to think that YOURS has anecdotal legitimacy.

Radorth

Oh boy. That's what Marx said almost 150 years ago.

Let me know the next time you work a miracle in your adopted teenager's heart, you get the gangs in your neighborhood start washing your car, you impress a skeptic like Franklin with an atheist revival and you talk Atheists United into building a hospital down the street.

Rad

christ-on-a-stick

As an aside, Radorth, I find it quite telling that you have entirely ignored my previous 2 posts with questions addressed to you, in this very thread.

(Things that make you go, hmmmm...)

Radorth

Heck no. Let's hear it so we can compare notes. Tell us how many spontaneous remissions you've witnessed, after doctors gave up all hope. We'll compare them to "Medical Miracles" on the Discovery Channel.

There are plenty of studies to contradict yours. There always are.

Rad

christ-on-a-stick

Priceless!!!

A) "Work a miracle in your adopted teenager's heart" (translate to English: pyschologically and emotionally manipulate your adopted teenager into believing in such ridiculous superstitions such as glossalia, to his/her probable lifelong mental detriment)

B) Get the gangs in your neighborhood to start washing your car??? WTF??? Self-serving, much? How about getting them to get jobs to help THEMSELVES?

C) Who the heck is Franklin and where is your documentation for said such incident? And WHY on Gawd's Green Earth do you think for a minute that dem "Evil Atheists" have no interest in building things such as hospitals without religious motivation??? One of our atheist members here recently donated a kidney to a friend. No god-belief, no "leading of the Lord". How exactly do you square that, my dear?

spurly

That is not the only teaching on prayer in Scripture. Here are a few others.

The things we ask for must be according to his will.

We must ask in the name (i.e., the character of Jesus).

We must delight ourselves in him, before he gives us the desires of our hearts. (By the way, when we delight ourselves in him, all we will want is what he wants for us because that is best).

We must not doubt.

I'm sure there are others I am not thinking of right now.

Kevin

winstonjen

In other words, the verse about doing what we ask is a total lie. :boohoo:

The other verses indicate that he wants to brainwash us, remove our free will and free thoughts, and replace them with his, so that we are not our old selves anymore.

Radorth

Re: COAS

I've answered your inane questions several times. You just don't get around much, or have a short memory apparently. I've said before you can accuse God of being arbitrary, but you cannot accuse him of disinterest.

Yes he does answer some prayers and not others. What's the problem?

Hey you aren't another 25 year old JM'er by chance?

Rad

spurly

Winstonjen:

It has never been about us. It has always been about Him. He is the one who deserves the glory. He is the one we need to beocme like. Does he take our free will away by asking us to choose to become one with him in heart? No. Does he take our free will away by asking us to seek him, to desire nothing more than him? No. We still have the choice not to do that.

However, why would we want to. He is the creator. He knows best how the creation is to work.

Kevin