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tronvillain · 03-16-2002, 05:28 PM

Yes, that would be very helpful. I was thinking of composing a response to spin, but I think I'll wait and see if spin responds to you first.

spin · 03-16-2002, 05:29 PM

MortalWombat:
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I wouldn't quite call actively hunting and killing monkeys for food "opportunistic"
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Chimpanzees are not monkeys. What percentage of *regular* meat intake would you call not opportunistic?

spin:
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I have pointed out that human teeth are even less adapted to meat eating than some of our close primate relations, and less adapted than some of our forebearers.
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MW:
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Yeah? And gorilla teeth appear more adapted to eating meat than humans (look at the massive canines on a gorilla), but eat nothing but plants. Does that mean that gorillas should eat more meat because of what their teeth look like?
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No, it means, regarding teeth, that humans are even less well prepared to eat meat.

spin · 03-16-2002, 05:33 PM

LadyShea:
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spin...what you seem to have trouble understanding is that many people simply do not see meat eating as a moral or ethical dilemma. If you don't feel that something you do is wrong in any way, if you don't have any guilt feelings, if you do not question "is this right or wrong" then you have no reason or motivation to justify it.
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Then why answer my plea at all?

Sorry, but that also responds to Malaclypse as well.

However, you both have.

Koyaanisqatsi · 03-16-2002, 05:35 PM

Hypocrisy is never allowed to stand alone around here. You should know that by now

tronvillain · 03-16-2002, 05:39 PM

spin:

Quote:

No, it means, regarding teeth, that humans are even less well prepared to eat meat.

So, despite not being well prepared to eat meat in terms of teeth, we manage to eat meat relatively easily? Perhaps it has something to do with our ability to use tools and fire.

spin · 03-16-2002, 05:40 PM

Koy,

Are you never going to get repetitive strain?

The aim of morals amongst other things is to attempt to benefit and protect as many individuals as possible.

spin · 03-16-2002, 05:41 PM

spin:
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I think taking the life of any sentient being is wrong.
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PB:
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Fine. As I disagree, I might ask you why you think this. Well? Why?
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I understand you disagree. I've already answered the question though.

Bill Snedden · 03-16-2002, 05:43 PM

There were, in the last thread, several arguments/ethical systems outlined that provided a defense against the claim that eating meat is immoral. Your approach in all cases has been pretty much the same: either ignore them completely (as you did mine) or simply declare by fiat that they were incorrect or "not inclusive". Of course, this amounts to no argument at all.

Spin: for the last time, if you are truly interested in debating or discussing this subject, please outline the rational basis for the ethical system you use to determine that the eating of meat is immoral.

Your lack of response to this request will be taken as a sign that you are not interested in serious discussion. Thank you.

Bill Snedden

spin · 03-16-2002, 05:44 PM

spin,
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Life.
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PB:
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Define life.
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How much is a dictionary?

Toto · 03-16-2002, 05:44 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by spin:
<strong>spin:
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I think taking the life of any sentient being is wrong.
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PB:
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Fine. As I disagree, I might ask you why you think this. Well? Why?
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I understand you disagree. I've already answered the question though.</strong>

Okay, but I missed it. What was the answer, or where can it be found?

Are you serious, or just trying to stir things up?

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03-16-2002, 05:28 PM	#51
tronvillain Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Alberta, Canada Posts: 5,658	Yes, that would be very helpful. I was thinking of composing a response to spin, but I think I'll wait and see if spin responds to you first.

03-16-2002, 05:29 PM	#52
spin Contributor Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: nowhere Posts: 15,747	MortalWombat: ----------------------- I wouldn't quite call actively hunting and killing monkeys for food "opportunistic" ----------------------- Chimpanzees are not monkeys. What percentage of regular meat intake would you call not opportunistic? spin: ------------------------------ I have pointed out that human teeth are even less adapted to meat eating than some of our close primate relations, and less adapted than some of our forebearers. ------------------------------ MW: ------------------------------ Yeah? And gorilla teeth appear more adapted to eating meat than humans (look at the massive canines on a gorilla), but eat nothing but plants. Does that mean that gorillas should eat more meat because of what their teeth look like? ------------------------------ No, it means, regarding teeth, that humans are even less well prepared to eat meat.

03-16-2002, 05:33 PM	#53
spin Contributor Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: nowhere Posts: 15,747	LadyShea: --------------------- spin...what you seem to have trouble understanding is that many people simply do not see meat eating as a moral or ethical dilemma. If you don't feel that something you do is wrong in any way, if you don't have any guilt feelings, if you do not question "is this right or wrong" then you have no reason or motivation to justify it. --------------------- Then why answer my plea at all? Sorry, but that also responds to Malaclypse as well. However, you both have.

03-16-2002, 05:35 PM	#54
Koyaanisqatsi Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Yes, I have dyslexia. Sue me. Posts: 6,508	Hypocrisy is never allowed to stand alone around here. You should know that by now

03-16-2002, 05:40 PM	#56
spin Contributor Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: nowhere Posts: 15,747	Koy, Are you never going to get repetitive strain? The aim of morals amongst other things is to attempt to benefit and protect as many individuals as possible.

03-16-2002, 05:41 PM	#57
spin Contributor Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: nowhere Posts: 15,747	spin: -------------------- I think taking the life of any sentient being is wrong. -------------------- PB: -------------------- Fine. As I disagree, I might ask you why you think this. Well? Why? -------------------- I understand you disagree. I've already answered the question though.

03-16-2002, 05:43 PM	#58
Bill Snedden Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: Greensboro, NC, U.S.A. Posts: 2,597	There were, in the last thread, several arguments/ethical systems outlined that provided a defense against the claim that eating meat is immoral. Your approach in all cases has been pretty much the same: either ignore them completely (as you did mine) or simply declare by fiat that they were incorrect or "not inclusive". Of course, this amounts to no argument at all. Spin: for the last time, if you are truly interested in debating or discussing this subject, please outline the rational basis for the ethical system you use to determine that the eating of meat is immoral. Your lack of response to this request will be taken as a sign that you are not interested in serious discussion. Thank you. Bill Snedden

03-16-2002, 05:44 PM	#59
spin Contributor Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: nowhere Posts: 15,747	spin, ------------- Life. ------------- PB: ------------- Define life. ------------- How much is a dictionary?

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