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09-30-2002, 06:50 AM
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Albion: "I see he's a fellow of the Discovery Institute Center for Science and Culture. Wonder why the newspaper article didn't mention that?"
Just a guess, but perhaps it's part of their ongoing wedge strategy not to mention such a questionable affiliation in local articles. After all, if a professor of chemistry at UGA says it's so, how many laypersons are going to actually take the trouble to find out if he knows what he's talking about or what flakes he may align himself with? Rufus, any word on the UGA biology faculty publicly putting the smack-down on this nonsense? |
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09-30-2002, 07:04 AM
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09-30-2002, 07:04 AM
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Here is the super list of petitions sent in by UGA to Cobb County. (I organized the Genetics one.)
To: The Cobb County School Board - Via email - From: Brian Binder, Assoc. Prof. Dept. Marine Sciences University of Georgia Date: 9/25/02 Re: UGA Science Faculty Overwhelmingly Against Cobb County Evolution Proposal A large number of University of Georgia Faculty object to the proposal to allow "alternative theories" of the origin and development of life on earth to be presented alongside evolutionary theory in Cobb County science classrooms. At least three different petitions objecting to this proposal have been circulating among science department faculty at UGA. These petitions have been, or will shortly be submitted directly to the Cobb County Board of Education. Although the three petitions are different, they all object to proposals to present alternate views alongside evolution in the science curriculum, they all maintain that these alternate views do not represent scientifically valid or testable concepts, they all contend that these views arise from religious rather than scientific considerations, and they all warn that presentation of these views as matters of science rather than of faith would significantly degrade the quality of science education in Cobb County schools. For your information, I have compiled a list of all those faculty members who have signed one of these three petitions. In all, 92 UGA faculty members from 14 different departments have so far signed on against the proposal (more signatures are expected by noon 9/26/02, when the last of the petitions will be faxed to you). Please note that virtually all of the signees are scientists who work directly in biological or geological fields, making them particularly well-qualified to comment on the scientific merits of this issue. (Contrast this with the list of 28 GA Professors who are on record as supporting the Cobb proposal, no more than 10 of whom work in fields related to biology or geology.) The following UGA faculty members have signed one of these petitions: Name Position UGA Department 1. John McDonald Professor, Dept. Head Genetics 2. Michael McEachern Asst. Professor Genetics 3. Jonathan Arnold Professor Genetics 4. Michael Bender Assoc. Professor Genetics 5. Sidney R. Kushner Professor Genetics 6. Robert Ivarie Professor Genetics 7. Richard Meagher Professor Genetics 8. Sue Wessler Distinguished Research Prof. Genetics 9. Norris Armstrong Asst. Professor Genetics 10. Rodney Mauricio Asst. Professor Genetics 11. Mary Bedell Asst. Professor Genetics 12. Janet Westpheling Assoc. Professor Genetics 13. John Avise Research Professor, National Academy of Sciences Member Genetics 14. Michael Arnold Professor Genetics 15. Marjorie Asmussen Professor Genetics 16. James Hamrick Professor Genetics 17. Wyatt Anderson Professor, Dean of the Franklin College of Arts & Sciences, National Academy of Sciences member Genetics 18. Nancy Manley Asst. Professor Genetics 19. Clairborne Glover, III Professor Biochem. & Molec. Biology / Genetics 20. Mark A. Farmer Assoc. Professor Cellular Biology 21. Scott Dougan Asst. Professor Cellular Biology 22. Kojo Mensa-Wilmot Professor Cellular Biology 23. James D. Lauderdale Asst. Professor Cellular Biology 24. Jacek Gaertig Assoc. Professor Cellular Biology 25. Rick L. Tarleton Distinguished Research Prof. Cellular Biology 26. Timothy Dore Asst. Professor Chemistry 27. Brian Binder Assoc. Professor Marine Sciences 28. Patricia Yager Asst. Professor Marine Sciences 29. Adrian Burd Asst. Professor Marine Sciences 30. Merryl Alber Assoc. Professor Marine Sciences 31. Samantha Joye Assoc. Professor Marine Sciences 32. James T. Hollibaugh Professor Marine Sciences 33. Barry A. Palevitz Professor Plant Biology 34. Marshall W. Darley Assoc. Professor Plant Biology 35. Shu-Mei Chang Asst. Professor Plant Biology 36. Michael Scanlon Asst. Professor Plant Biology 37. Gary Kochert Professor, Dept. Head Plant Biology 38. Wendy Zomlefer Associate Research Scientist, Herbarium Curator Plant Biology 39. Michelle Momany Assoc. Professor Plant Biology 40. David E. Giannasi Assoc. Professor Plant Biology 41. Bruce Haines Assoc. Professor Plant Biology 42. Russell Malmberge Professor Plant Biology 43. David Porter Professor Plant Biology 44. David Radcliffe Professor Crop and Soil Sciences 45. Robert K. Kuzoff Asst. Professor Plant Biology 46. Mary J. Godt Assistant Research Scientist Plant Biology 47. Wayne Parrott Professor Crop and Soil Sciences 48. William Barstow Professor Biology 49. Marguerite Brickman Asst. Professor Plant Biology 50. Karl E. Espelie Professor Biology 51. Robert Matthews Professor Entomology 52. Donald E. Champagne Assoc. Professor Entomology 53. Mark R. Brown Assoc. Professor Entomology 54. Marcus Fechheimer Professor Cellular Biology 55. Haini Cai Asst. Professor Cellular Biology 56. John S.Willis Professor Emeritus Cellular Biology 57. Judith H. Willis Professor Cellular Biology 58. Michael Adang Professor Entomology / Biochem. & Molec. Biol. 59. Michael Strand Professor Entomology 60. Susan T. Goldstein Professor, Dept. Head Geology 61. Michael F. Roden Professor, Assoc. Dept. Head Geology 62. Alberto E. Patiño-Douce Professor Geology 63. Sally E. Walker Assoc. Professor Geology 64. L. Bruce Railsback Professor Geology 65. Steven M. Holland Professor Geology 66. Sam Swanson Professor Geology 67. Raymond P. Freeman-Lynde Professor Geology 68. Ervan G. Garrison Professor Geology / Anthropology 69. Douglas E. Crowe Assoc. Professor Geology 70. C. Ronald Carroll Professor, Institute Director Institute of Ecology 71. Amy D. Rosemond Asst. Research Scientist, Asst. Institute Director Institute of Ecology 72. J. Bruce Wallace Professor Institute of Ecology 73. Lawrence Pomeroy Professor Emeritus Zoology 74. Philip Holmes Assoc. Professor Psychology 75. Chester Karwoski Professor Psychology 76. Dorothy Fragaszy Professor Psychology 77. Andrea Hohmann Asst. Professor Psychology 78. Erwin Berstein Professor Psychology 79. Roger Thomas Professor Psychology 80. Jonathon Crystal Asst. Professor Psychology 81. Harry A. Daily Professor, Director of the Biomedical Health Sciences Institute Microbiology 82. Robert Maier Distinguished Professor Microbiology 83. William Jackson Payne Alumni Foundation Distinguished Professor Emeritus, Dean Emeritus of the Franklin College of Arts and Sciences Microbiology 84. Mark A. Schell Professor Microbiology 85. Anne. O. Summers Professor Microbiology 86. Juergen Wiegel Professor Microbiology 87. Anna Karls Assoc. Professor Microbiology 88. Ellen Neidle Assoc. Professor Microbiology 89. Joy Peterson Asst. Professor Microbiology 90. Eric Stabb Asst. Professor Microbiology 91. William B. Whitman Professor Microbiology 92. Larry J. Shimkets Professor Microbiology |
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09-30-2002, 12:19 PM
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Rufus--
F-ing awesome response you wrote! Concise, and extremely persuasive to anyone who doesn't have their head stuck in the sand of religious dogma. And that list of professors is a *great* counter to the list of 28 creationists. Excellent work. <img src="graemlins/notworthy.gif" border="0" alt="[Not Worthy]" /> <img src="graemlins/notworthy.gif" border="0" alt="[Not Worthy]" /> <img src="graemlins/notworthy.gif" border="0" alt="[Not Worthy]" /> -Kelly |
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09-30-2002, 01:04 PM
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I like this alert from Focus on the Family;
"Professors are teaching evolution as fact [at colleges], and flat out admitting it! (  Oh my!)<a href="http://www.focusoneducation.com/parents/articles/a0000909.html" target="_blank">Worldviews</a> |
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09-30-2002, 01:39 PM
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Oolon,
That's funny -- it must have been ten years since I read Dawkins TBW. That bit stuck with me! But I'd remembered it as a physicist. No doubt because physicists are forever deciding that they can clear up all the problems of this or that other discipline in an afternoon. Philosophy and evolutionary theory are their favourite targets; a colleague of mine jokes that when eminent physicists get on in years, they go through "philosopause". |
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09-30-2002, 01:45 PM
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Thanx, Gooch's Dad.
[ September 30, 2002: Message edited by: RufusAtticus ]</p> |
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09-30-2002, 03:13 PM
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amazing, hey *after seeing lists of creation "scientists" came to despair of seeing a list of people who had relevant degrees in it* 
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09-30-2002, 08:04 PM
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Well here is the Emory (a Methodist University) petition with 99 signatures.
=============================== September 9, 2002 Cobb County Board of Education Dear Sirs, We, the undersigned, are writing to you in support of Jeffrey Selman's suit opposing stickers attached to middle and high school biology textbooks that contain disclaimers on evolutionary theory. As science educators at the graduate level, we must take a stand against such stickers that call into question scientific, evidence-based instruction in the public schools. We feel that it is our duty as scientists, educators, and citizens to ensure that secondary level science classes teach science and not religion. There is a desperate need for high-quality science education in the United States, Georgia, and in Cobb County. To put evolutionary theory onto the same level as faith-based creationism and "intelligent design" would disregard mountains of evidence carefully gathered by thousands of scientists over the past 160 years. Evolutionary theory is a theory in the same sense that Einstein's theory of relativity is a theory. Or that electromagnetism, quantum mechanics, and the Copernican concept of planetary motion is a theory. Do you need a disclaimer on scientific theories when you teach that the Earth revolves around the Sun? Evolutionary theory has been supported by a myriad of observations including recent molecular genetic evidence based on the genome sequences of dozens of organisms. All biological evidence supports the concept of descent from an original common ancestor, and all of biology makes sense only in the framework of evolutionary theory. To suggest to middle and high school students that there is any type of debate within the scientific community on the validity of evolution would be completely untrue and a disservice to those children. We strongly urge you to vote to remove the evolutionary disclaimer stickers from biology textbooks in Cobb County public schools. Sincerely yours, Dr. Carlos Moreno Assistant Professor Dept. of Pathology & Laboratory Medicine Emory University School of Medicine Total of 99 Faculty Signatories (so far from Emory). Physical signatures for these 30 Faculty members: Dr. Carlos Moreno Asst. Prof of Pathology Dr. David Lambeth Professor of Pathology Dr. Didier Merlin Asst. Prof of Pathology Dr. Andrew Neish Asst. Prof of Pathology Dr. Daniel Kalman Asst. Prof of Pathology Dr. Ichiro Matsumura Asst. Prof of Biochemistry Dr. Bruce Levin Professor of Biology Dr. Alec Hodel Asst. Prof of Biochemistry Dr. Gerald Shadel Asst. Prof of Biochemistry Dr. Jeremy Boss Professor of Microbiology & Immunology Dr. Paul Doetsch Professor of Biochemistry Dr. Scott Devine Asst. Prof of Biochemistry Dr. Silvija Staprans Asst. Prof of Medicine and Microbiology & Immunology Dr. Ifor Williams Asst. Prof of Pathology Dr. Guy Benian Assoc Prof of Pathology Dr. Gordon Churchward Assoc Prof of Microbiology & Immunology Dr. Andrew Gerwitz Asst. Prof of Pathology Dr. John Lucchesi Asa Griggs Candler Professor and Chairman, Department of Biology Dr. Linda Gooding Professor of Microbiology & Immunology Dr. Shoichiro Ono Asst. Prof of Pathology Dr. Charles Saxe Assoc Prof of Cell Biology Dr. Barry Shur Professor and Chairman, Department of Cell Biology Dr. Charles Parkos Assoc Prof of Pathology Dr. Bryan Noe Professor of Cell Biology Associate Dean of Research Graduate School of Arts and Sciences Dr. David Jaye Asst. Professor of Pathology Dr. Richard Kahn Professor of Biochemistry Dr. John Logsdon Asst Professor of Biology Dr. Asma Nusrat Asst Professor of Pathology Dr. Stephen Warren W.P. Timmie Professor and Chairman Department of Human Genetics Dr. Sharon Weiss Professor and Chair Department of Pathology & Laboratory Medicine Electronic Signatures only for these 69 Faculty Members. Dr. Frans B. M. de Waal C. H. Candler Professor, Psychology Department Dr. Sam Speck Director, Center for Emerging Infectious Diseases, and Professor, Department of Microbiology & Immunology Dr. Rustom Antia Associate Professor of Biology Dr. Lorin J. Freedman Asst. Prof of Neurology Dr. Steven J. Garlow Asst Professor of Psychiatry Dr. Danny Reines Professor of Biochemistry Dr. Michael D. Crutcher Asst Professor of Neurology Dr. Steven L. Wolf Professor of Rehabilitation Medicine Dr. Krish Sathian Assoc Professor of Neurology and Rehabilitation Medicine Dr. Criss Hartzell Professor of Cell Biology Dr. Aryeh D. Stein Assoc Professor of International Health and Epidemiology Dr. Judy Kapp Professor of Opthalmology Dr. Michele Marcus Assoc Professor of Epidemiology Dr. Samuel C. Dudley, Jr., Asst Professor of Medicine and Physiology Dr. T.J. Murphy Assoc Professor of Pharmacology Dr. Reynaldo Martorell Robert W.Woodruff Professor and Chairman, Department of International Health Rollins School of Public Health, Emory University Dr. Vincent W. Yang Professor of Medicine Director, Division of Digestive Diseases Dr. Robert Donahoe Associate Professor of Psychiatry and Behavioral Sciences Dr. Margaret K. Offermann Professor of Oncology, Winship Cancer Institute Dr. Louis J. Elsas Professor of Pediatrics and Biochemistry Director, Division of Medical Genetics Dr. Lawrence S. Phillips Professor of Medicine Dr. Joseph M. Kinkade Professor of Biochemistry and Epidemiology Dr. Ronald L. Calabrese Professor of Biology Dr. Melvin Konner, Samuel Candler Dobbs Professor of Anthropology and of Neuroscience and Behavioral Biology Dr. Robert W. Bonsall Assoc Professor of Psychiatry and Behavioral Sciences Dr. Victor Faundez Asst Professor of Cell Biology Dr. Sonia M. Altizer Asst. Professor of Environmental Studies Dr. Darryl Neill Professor and Chair Department of Psychology Dr. Paul Wade Asst. Professor of Pathology Dr. Leslie A. Real Asa G. Candler Professor of Biology Director, Center for Disease Ecology Dr. Arri Eisen Senior Lecturer, Biology Director, Program in Science & Society Dr. George J. Armelagos Professor of Anthropology Dr. Gray F. Crouse Professor of Biology Dr. Stephen A. Morse Adjunct Professor of Microbiology Dr. John M. Nickerson Associate Professor of Ophthalmology Dr. Grace K. Pavlath Assoc Professor of Pharmacology Dr. Alan Sokoloff Assistant Research Professor of Physiology Dr. Hanjoong Jo Associate Professor of Biomedical Engineering at Georgia Tech and Emory University Dr. Philip E. Pellett Adjunct Professor of Microbiology and Molecular Genetics Dr. Michael Davis Robert W. Woodruff Professor of Psychiatry, Behavioral Sciences and Psychology Dr. David Lynn Professor of Chemistry Dr. Joseph B. Justice Winship Distinguished Research Professor and Chairman, Department of Chemistry Dr. June R. Scott Charles Howard Candler Professor of Microbiology and Immunology Dr. Anita H. Corbett Assistant Professor of Biochemistry Dr. Nael A. McCarty Associate Professor School of Biology Georgia Institute of Technology Dr. Edward T. Morgan Professor of Pharmacology Dr. Robert B. Gunn Professor and Chairman of Physiology Dr. Donald J. Shure Professor of Biology Dr. Jan Mead Assoc. Professor of Pediatrics Dr. Neil Lamb Asst. Professor of Human Genetics Director, Center for Medical Genomics Dr. Peter E. Jensen Professor of Pathology Dr. R. Compans Professor and Chairman, Department of Microbiology & Immunology Dr. Jan Mead Assoc. Professor of Pediatrics Dr. Otto Froehlich Assoc. Professor of Physiology Dr. Peter J. Brown Professor of Anthropology Dr. Keith D. Wilkinson Professor of Biochemistry Dr. Frank J. Gordon Associate Professor of Pharmacology Dr. A. A. Ansari Professor of Pathology Dr. Erwin G. Van Meir Professor of Neurosurgery and Hematology/Oncology Dr. Elaine Walker Samuel Candler Dobbs Professor of Psychology and Neuroscience Dr. William Mitch Chairman of Internal Medicine University of Texas Medical Branch Dr. Judith Fridovich-Keil Assoc. Professor of Human Genetics Dr. Hugo S. Moreno Asst. Professor of Gynecology & Obstetrics Dr. Benjamin Freed Adjunct Lecturer of Anthropology Dr. Robert Tauxe Chief, Foodborne and Diarrheal Diseases Branch Division of Bacterial and Mycotic Diseases, NCID, CDC Dr. Andre Nahmius Professor of Pediatrics Dr. Harold Gouzoules Professor of Psychology Dr. Stephanie Sherman Professor of Human Genetics Dr. Judith Fridovich-Keil Assoc. Professor of Human Genetics |
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10-02-2002, 01:56 PM
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A little note:
John Avise and Wyatt Anderson, the two population geneticists and NAS members mentioned in AJC articles about this controvercy, said today that they got hundreds of creationists emails last week. John specifically said that he hadn't had so many people praying for his soul in his life. ~~RvFvS~~ |
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